Jan Lehnardt Mar 7

RE: https://hachyderm.io/@janvhs/116184719405207871

We’re quickly approaching a bifurcation in FOSS with projects including or not including LLM generated code.

We’ll have to come up with a name so we can talk clearly about it.

I desperately hope the non-LLM side is going to be large enough to include a full stack, otherwise there’s a lot of work ahead of us for no good reason.

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At least until we have truly free and open, non-exploitative, consentually sourced, sustainably powered tooling, which is a bubble or two away at least.

Show threadChris Ford 
@janl Might the split form along GPL vs BSD/MIT lines? Both the copyleft and LLM-free positions seem aligned on attitudes to ecosystems and the responsibilities of folks using code for their own ends.
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Show threadLarry GarfieldMar 7
@cford @janl I was wondering the same. People that just want efficiency vs people that actually care about ethics and protecting users.
Show threadChris Ford Mar 7
@Crell @janl This list is mostly *GPL with the notable exception of NetBSD. https://codeberg.org/brib/slopfree-software-index
slopfree-software-index

A list of open-source projects that reject AI-generated code

Codeberg.org
Show threadChris Ford Mar 7
@Crell @janl Oh, and Servo is MPL, unsurprisingly.
Show threadLucas DohmenMar 7
@cford @janl @Crell Unfortunately, I think it is not that simple. Vim has a GPL-like license and is entirely in on the ”AI“ hype

https://hachyderm.io/@AndrewRadev/116175986749599825
Andrew Radev (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image Vim's lead maintainer has fully lost his goddamn mind

Hachyderm.io
Show threadFrost, wolf of winter 🐺🎄Mar 9

@cford @janl Nah, there are other reasons to want BSD/MIT/otherwise permissive (and I'm tired of figuratively-literally everyone pretending there aren't).

We make our own stuff, actually a lot of it public domain even, because it's not the kind of stuff companies would want to exploit (though with LLMs... they will anyway. but will a license stop them? NOPE) and I'd rather my code be more accessible to other open source devs, regardless of whether they agree on the exact specifics of the license to use. Like, use my BSD/MIT/public domain code in a GPL project? Go for it! You can't go the other way even if the downstream person is a fellow actual open source/free software (yeah I use those terms interchangeably, Stallman can bite me :3) person who's not trying to go for Profit™.

Show threadChris Ford Mar 9
@IceWolf @janl Personally, I'm very sympathetic to permissive licences. That's how I release all my little things, though they're often experiments or artsy stuff rather than infrastructural things. I think copyleft and permissive are both ethical choices, for different ethical perspectives.
Show threadFrost, wolf of winter 🐺🎄Mar 9
@cford @janl Yeah! GPL type stuff makes total sense for stuff like *waves paw at Linux* where the corporations would totally try to pull shit. It's the smol stuff where permissive licenses shine.