JensSpahnpastaMar 6

10% of Firefox crashes are caused by bitflips

https://feddit.org/post/26711761

10% of Firefox crashes are caused by bitflips - feddit.org

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Show threadBjörnMar 6
Guess Linus was right again to only use ECC RAM.
Show threadRetail4068Mar 6

Let’s spend a ton of extra money minimizing edge case crashing in a browser!!!

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Show threadFauxLivingMar 6
I don’t know about you, but I use my RAM for a lot more than a browser.
Show threadRetail4068Mar 6
What nerd edge case do you want to talk about that is so important you need ECC?
Show threaddeadcadeMar 7

Simple stuff like a calculator can be just as broken by a bitflip as more complex things. You woulndn’t want your calculator to say 1 + 1 = 2049.

If you want to rely on your computer, ECC RAM is required.

Show threadFauxLiving

Exactly, one of the ‘nerd edge cases’ (as the now removed comment mentioned) is that I use ZFS on my NAS.

There’s lots of checksumming and encryption. Errors in that process are not acceptable and could potentially cause data loss. Since the one of the points of using ZFS is the enhanced data integrity, not using ECC means losing out on that guarantee.

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Show threadRetail4068Mar 7
Nobody fucking cares my man. Not important. Nobody in the regular world has ever been effected by not having ECC. You’re inventing edge cases that most cares about. Linus suffers from not understanding normal people.
Show threadFauxLivingMar 7

Nobody in the regular world has ever been effected by not having ECC.

Based on the article, it looks like at least 10% of crashes are caused by not having ECC.

Linus suffers from not understanding normal people.

Well, you are demonstrating that you’re an expert people person so I’ll just have to take your word.

Show threadRetail4068Mar 7
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Show threadvacuumflowerMar 7

You can’s speak about not having frequent corruption of files when you are not using tools detecting it. I can guarantee you have plenty of already corrupt stuff on your hard drives. RAM bit flips do contribute to that.

You have bugs (leading to broken documents, something failing, freezes, crashes) in applications you use and part of them is not due to developer’s error, but due to uncorrected memory errors.

If you’d try using a filesystem like ZFS with checksumming and regular rescans, you’d see detected errors very often. Probably not corrected, because you’d not use mirroring to save space, dummy.

And if you were using ECC, you’d see messages about corrected memory errors in dmesg often enough.