☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆

Two Things Can Be True At Once!

https://lemmy.ml/post/44134962

Mar 7 at 1:20amWeb
Show threadLaw Abiding VPN UserMar 7

Who knew the world was full of quantum computers that can simulate an actual Schrödinger’s cat situation While also thinking in a very binary way with a red vs blue type situation like a double Schrödinger’s cat-ception

The media is evil and all our elected officials are evil

Show threadUltraGiGaGiganticMar 9
Why does no one address the issue of the cat not knowing if we are real?
Show threadLaw Abiding VPN UserMar 9
I saw a video where they explained that it was a thought experiment and there was no cat, box or vial of poison
Show threadghost_laptopMar 7
from the creators of whubububism, comes 2 things at once, with extra colonialist mindset!
Show threadcanadian_commieMar 7
We’ve always been at war with Eurasia.
Show threadkwargMar 8
love the BB
Show threadDessalinesMar 7

This is gold. Comrades are on their meme game this week. This one was also fire:

Show thread☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆Mar 7
🤣
Show threadChristchurchAssholeMar 7
Brilliant. We all know that one person, or friend, who refuses to go ALL the way in regards to an idea. On other occasions it’s me who is the naysayer 😀
Show threadkroldenMar 7
lmao
Show threadBrainInABoxMar 7
Needs to remove the Jill2016 pin though, these kind of people all think she’s a kgb agent now
Show threadGaumBeistMar 7
The good news is that Russia is only evil and fascist and so it’s always bad to be associated with them. Trust me, I’m one of the good Americans
Show threadThirdConsulMar 8

it’s always bad to be associated with them.

There are multiple countries sharing that sentiment though? E.g. every European neighbour of them except Belarus?

(At least according to Russian TV)

Show threadUltraGiGaGiganticMar 9
Not a fan of Jill stein myself, but if all it takes is her sitting at a table with putin to make her a KGB spy, what does that mean for all the establishment losers that went to epstien island and have taken APAIC’s money?
Show threadAVincentInSpaceMar 7

oh look, the tankies are pretending that a regime that executed protestors and disappeared doctors that treated them in hospital deserved to stay put and anyone claiming otherwise is a victim of propaganda

istg every time i log into lemmy the time before i get forcibly reminded why i stopped doing that gets shorter

Show thread☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆Mar 7
bye fash
Show threadFormfillerMar 7
Israel?
Show threadKimBongUn420Mar 7
Oh look it’s a reddit fash lib that thinks that the US and Israel are bombing school girls to help the protesters in Iran
Show threadRiverRockMar 7
Hell yeah dude you should stop altogether, it will be better for your blood pressure
Show threadRiverRockMar 7
Dear white people, regime change begins at home
Dear White People, Regime Change Begins At Home

Overthrow your own governments, then talk

indi.ca
Show threadorc girlyMar 7
Saved, thanks for sharing
Show threadmathemachristian[he]Mar 7
Oh look a yankee trying to justify a school shooting.
Show threadCowbee [he/they]Mar 7
If you care about the people of Iran, why on Earth are you cheering for the forces that struck an elementary school and killed over 150 little girls in its opening hours? They are bombing water treatment plants. Have you not learned from Iraq?
Show threadgeneva_convenienceMar 7
I have you tagged as a Zionist and you always deliver.
Show threadGraphoMar 7
Huh, how do you tag? That’d be incredibly useful
Show threadgeneva_convenienceMar 7
I’ve got a little notepad file there isn’t an official implementation yet
Show threadMagnanimuzedongMar 7
Long press on the comment, then click on the USER and then on Add User label
Show threadgoferking (he/him)Mar 8
Depends on if using the web or an app
Show threadking_comradeMar 7
Pearl clutching as a Zionist? You’d be cooler as a tankie tbh… Would you like a reading list?
Show threadMagnanimuzedongMar 7
Correct me if I’m wrong. But… Are those being funded to do a colour revolution really “protestors”? Last I checked, those happen to be criminals and usually get executed. Especially if they commit terrorism and kill civilains
Show threadchlorokenMar 7
This is dialectical thinking at its finest.
Show thread☂️-Mar 7

i need to start saving these for some libs in the wild.

“yeah let me pretend to be nuanced here” fuck off lol

Show thread☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆Mar 7
lol we need to start a meme library on prolewiki
Show threadorc girlyMar 7
Now that’s praxis
Show thread☂️-Mar 7

i will risk saying this would be unironically good.

a library of dank agitprop? own every lib with image macros? yeah count me in.

Show threadOwOarchistMar 7
But also … just because something is used by the US as propaganda doesn’t necessarily mean it’s untrue.
Show threadmathemachristian[he]Mar 7
But it’s a pretty good indicator
Show threadRiverRockMar 7
Sure, 100% as long as we also apply that standard the next time someone says “Russian propaganda”.
Show threadgeneva_convenienceMar 7
It means it’s either heavily exaggerated or untrue.
Show threadorc girlyMar 7

Look into literally every war they supported, it’s always false pretenses. They instigated Kuwait to get in trouble with Iraq, then told Iraq they wouldn’t oppose them invading Kuwait, then after Iraq invaded the US media apparatus lied everywhere that Iraqis disconnected hundreds of babies from incubators, killing them.

Still with Iraq, they told the world that Saddam Hussein had WMDs, that they had to be stopped for the safety of all USAmericans. Even though the weapons inspectors said it was patently false. The US invaded, many European countries supported them. After a very painful invasion where it’s estimated between hundreds of thousands to a million Iraqis were murdered by the US and their allies (and many, many more when you count those who died from other factors caused by the invasion, such as lack of infrastructure, hospitals, food, etc), after all of this did they find WMDs? Take a guess.

The US told us that Gaddafi was using mass rape against his enemies, and people believed it until after they bombed Libyans to rubble. Turns out, they lied.

Amnesty International curiously enough lied as well, they echoed the claims about Kuwait babies killed by the Iraqi army and the mass rape by Gaddafi’s troops until after the US punished them severely. Then they went back on their word, because as it turns out they were lying. So if even organizations that occasionally do decent work can’t be trusted not to amplify imperialism, how can we trust those that are even worse?

Can you trust the same newspapers that have told us for years that no genocide is happening in Gaza? That we should condemn Hamas? That Israel has the most moral army? We saw with our own eyes what they did and still do to children in Gaza. And to this day BBC, NYT and others still frame Israel as victims of aggression, and the real victims as untrustworthy terrorists. We can’t trust a word about anything involving politics because even now they lie through framing, through omission.

Show threadOwOarchistMar 7

True true, and their ‘justifications’ for war are entirely bogus.

But I just caution against over-correcting. Just because someone is an enemy of the US doesn’t mean they’re perfect. Or even good.

Show threadorc girlyMar 7
Sure, but I’ll defend any government protecting its people from being bombed by imperialists, after the war is over we can critique again.
Show threadAntiOutsideAktionMar 8

Yes it does. Relative to the US they are good.

The primary contradiction in the world right now is US imperialism.

If you are talking about an enemy of the US in the context of anything the US is doing, they are the good guys.

Anything less is apologism.

Show threadOwOarchistMar 8

Nah. Being attacked by evil doesn’t make you good.

You’ve got to stop with this black-and-white thinking.

Show threadzqpsMar 8
Yeah there isn’t a nation-state on earth that is a friend to the working class.
Show threadCowbee [he/they]Mar 8
There are several socialist countries. What do you mean by “friend to the working classes” if not socialism?
Show threadOwOarchistMar 8
State capitalism is not socialism, and it is not a friend of the working class.
Show threadRiverRockMar 8
“State capitalism” is not a thing
Show threadOwOarchistMar 8

Sure buddy, sure.

Take it this way, then:

Socialism is when the workers are in control of the means of production. Supposedly, socialist countries accomplish this by the state being in control of the means of production and the workers supposedly in control of the state. But in reality, the workers are not in control of the state, so the workers are not in control of the means of production, and it’s not socialism.

Show threadQinShiHuangsShlongMar 8
Out of curiosity who do you think controls the state in China? Do you know how the Chinese state is structured? Do you know how Chinese democracy and political involvement works? What sources did you use to study China, the Chinese government and China’s democratic methods?
Show threadOwOarchistMar 8

Out of curiosity who do you think controls the state in China?

Not the workers.

Show threadorc girlyMar 8
Respond the other questions, give us data, sources, speak with substance if you have any, unless you’re just repeating propaganda, and you wouldn’t do that, right?
Show threadThirdConsulMar 8

I do think its impossible that the goverment not made of worker class representstives can be socialistic.

Just by the simple fact they do not represent the wast masses, they will ultimately be disconnected from workers and/or serve their own petty bourgeoisie interests.

Agreed?

Even ancient Greeks knew that when the representatives in democracy come from rich families they always serve their families first (see sortition, a practice they used to offset that).

Show threadCowbee [he/they]Mar 9
We’ve been through this before, so I’m not sure why you’re repeating this misunderstanding. Administration is not a class, just like “intellectual” is not a class. In socialist states, the working classes do control the state, and this is expressed by the working classes being the primary beneficiaries of social labor. The Greeks had an entirely different mode of production and distribution, so not sure why you bring them up.
Show threadQinShiHuangsShlongMar 9
You are a polish nationalist who has done no research on China and thus should stop speaking on it until you do
What to know about NPC in China's democracy

Close to 3,000 deputies -- ranging from farmers to state leaders -- are in Beijing for the third session of the 14th National People's Congress (NPC), the country's national legislature, which opened Wednesday.

Show threadQinShiHuangsShlongMar 8
So you’re a troll? You are just saying things, you haven’t investigated at all?
Show threadRiverRockMar 8

The workers disagree with you

Show threadmathemachristian[he]Mar 8
Well if you think that it’s capitalism you think the primary contradiction in china is between the bourgeosie and the proletariat. Which of these control the state?
Show threadCowbee [he/they]Mar 9

But in reality, the workers are not in control of the state

Can you justify this statement?

Show threadOwOarchistMar 9
How much control does the average worker have over the state? Practically none.