inariMar 6
40% of global ship traffic is simply moving fossil fuels around! Renewables make much of this traffic obsolete
Show threadTigerAce
The issue is, that renewable energy requires a lot of rare earth metals. This bring a whole bunch of other issues. Politically and ethically. "In a perfect world it would be… " there is no perfect world. Humans never change.
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Show threadGreenKnight23Mar 6

not just that but that’s millions of jobs worldwide lost.

had we started moving to renewables 40 years ago, like we should have, the impact wouldn’t be as bad now.

Show threadpotpotatoMar 6
Eh. Compare the investments and outcomes of New York Sun Solar Program and Pennsylvania Shell Ethane Cracker Plant.
Show threadNocturnalMorningMar 6
Oh no…think of the economy! We have to keep accelerating climate echange!
Show threadGreenKnight23Mar 7

let’s assume worldwide shipping creates enough jobs for 1% of the world’s population. that’s 70,000,000 jobs.

if half of those jobs (35,000,000) just poofed out overnight, what would be the global climate impacts after 6-8 months?

I’m willing to bet it wouldn’t be positive.

Show threadNocturnalMorningMar 7

We lived for millions of years without jobs. We’d be fine. In fact, We’d replace those jobs with jobs in renewable energy sectors.

Its insane to me that people argue that we should continue accelerating climate change which will kill far more people and cost more money than what we would make addressing and mitigation it.

But that would get in the way of your dumbass argument wouldn’t it?

Show threadYeahToastMar 6
40 years ago? There was an article release in ~1910-1912 stating that burning coal was increasing carbon rates in the atmosphere. We’ve known about this for 100+ years. Theres always sentiment about jobs being lost / unstable energy grid… companies just trying to exhaust fossil fuels before switching
Show threadGreenKnight23Mar 7
hate to break the news to you…but renewable energy wasn’t viable in 1910-1912.
Show threadYeahToastMar 7
And the first electric car was built in the 1880s, so I think it’s fair to say that had people acted, it wouldn’t be as out of reach as the common person thinks.
Show threadziprootMar 7
In a vacuum, sure. Not when you look at the whole picture
IEA: Slow energy transition would cost millions of jobs

A rapid transition would create enough new green roles to more than offset job losses in coal mines, power plants and oil and gas fields, a report finds

Climate Home News
Show threadDoomsiderMar 7
Modern solar cells and proven storage solutions like sodium ion do not contain there rare elements. Next!
Show threadziprootMar 7
Not wind with sodium ion batteries.
Show threadTigerAceMar 7
What is the generator made of?
Show threadziprootMar 7

Here is a more direct link.

Apprently my information is outdated. For a long time, wind turbines used electromagnets (the fact check is from 2016), but it looks like they are starting to use permanent magnets now (which require rare earths). They still don’t need them, and I think a lot of the ones using permanent magnets are from countries which have rare earths, but I will update my initial comment since I don’t want to move the goalposts.

In any case, there is a commenter above that mentioned solar, which according to my link does not need rare earth minerals.

I think the world bank report is a good read, regardless.

Show threadFluffy Kitty CatMar 7
What if you use a pully and have the generator on the ground?