negativenullSystem76 on Age Verification Laws
Liberty has costs, but it’s worth it.
RandomDudeVery insightful and well written! These Age verification laws are going to far and were never about the kids to being with.
Did you read the same article or law?
CA’s law isn’t age verification, it’s an API to return the age bracket for a kid to app stores, the article correctly notes that it won’t be verifying anything.
It’s “foot between the door”.
Once this has been established as “normal”, they’ll slowly pile on more and more restrictions.
Better to call out this bullshit know instead of mindlessly agreeing.
IMO it’s Better to support a good initiative than supporting corporations by mindlessly believing all the fearslop generated to protect them.
Fuck that was the best episode in the season…for the wrong reasons.
ZorsithIts demographic data; if the apps themselves have any access to it at all, it will be misused by advertising companies to see if they’re attracting kids (assuming people are actually truthful; i was totally 18 when i first looked at porn, trust me bro).
To tear a company to shreds for getting kids addicted to loot boxes you first have to show they know their targeting kids.
This isn’t about porn, it’s about app stores & Roblox.
It’s meant to manufacture consent.
Come back in 5 years and see if they’re still satisfied with it.
Unlike the lootboxes you think kids should have unrestricted access to, I’m sure the corporations will be satisfied and won’t push even worse technology on kidsm
Hear me out: maybe just maybe parents could show some fucking responsibility regarding their children and access to the internet.
Quit pushing “help the children!!” propaganda man.
Hear me out a non-invasive API isn’t some terrible invasion of privacy, you already send user-agent strings to servers.
Quit believing all the fearslop you see online man.
Yeah last I checked we’re in the middle of fascist takeover intertwined with the technocracy. Do you even believe your bullshit?
And yet here you are fighting to defend corporations from regulations, somehow thinking you’re not on the side of facism. 🤷♂️
Lemmy/redditors can be dumb, the article actually made it very clear the law doesn’t require verification and isn’t that big of a deal.
Lmao Lemmy users proving they are in fact dumber than AI and when confronted with a mass hallucination will call everyone a fed 🤣.
The more deranged you post, the more I’m convinced restricting 13 y/o s access to the Internet (that this law doesn’t do) is a great idea.
They still send user-agent strings.
Don’t put words in be to my mouth you filthy liar.
Lootboxes should be straight up banned, along with all other online gambling , which has become a bigger scam than crypto at this point.
If you are mad at gambling, you don’t focus the government to track the speech of everyone through a slow-boil process to make it socially inevitable that our fucking retinal scans are uploaded to a central government database that tracks everything we post online.
Just ban the gambling. It should never have been allowed. That’s the legal protection you need.
you don’t focus the government to track the speech of everyone through a slow-boil process to make it socially inevitable that our fucking retinal scans are uploaded to a central government database that tracks everything we post online.
Lmao have you actually read what the law actually says.
These days a computer is pretty much another lobe of your brain. What happens when we actually have computers embedded inside of us? Are they going to restrict access to our own cognition?
These days a computer is pretty much another lobe of your brain.
That’s bad, you know that’s bad right?
I know where you’re coming from. I’d say it’s algorithm driven and platform centric consumption that’s bad. If things were more open, it’d be easier to use things like RSS readers to control your influences. The laws should be enforcing open standards, not closing things down.
The laws should be enforcing open standards, not closing things down.
The CA law does push for open standards.
Specifically a standard way for app stores to get the age range of users, the alternatives are:
- Bury heads in sand and let companies target kids
- UK/AUS style bans.
Realistically I think talking about RSS readers as a way to stop kids getting hooked on loot boxes is burying your head in the sand though.
It’s an open standard that could lead to tighter controls on devices in the future. That’s an extremely slippery slope. Wouldn’t it make more sense to require age verification for social media platforms and outlaw online gambling? Why deanonymize the devices themselves? I suspect it has nothing to do with protecting children.
If I had to speculate, I think the people in power are scared of how much on-device AI could empower the masses and they’re laying the groundwork to curtail it right now.
It’s an open standard that could lead to tighter controls on devices in the future.
You could say that about anything? Are you opposed to oauth/openid because it could lead to tighter controls in the future?
Why deanonymize the devices themselves?
Have you read the law? It doesn’t deanonymize anything.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to require age verification for social media platforms?
You say that like requiring Reddit to do actual age verification is better than your OS asking you to enter your age on your account.
and outlaw online gambling?
I think we should ban online gambling, but that’s also an actual ban instead of the open standards that YOU were asking for.
If the social media platforms are the problem, then why control the devices and not the social media platforms? Makes no sense unless there’s an ulterior motive.
What control do you think this law puts on devices?
It’s not his law, it’s the precedent and how it’ll be used sd leverage later to push super invasive and manipulative shit.
So a law that is deliberately done in the least invasive way, sets a president to push invasive and manipulative shit?
Can you explain how? Like in any way? When it’s clearly going to reduce the manipulation of kids.
Know what? I’ll bite. Let’s have a civil discussion how this is either actually beneficial to ‘save the kids’ or, on the other hand, this is just the first step of a process designed to force full surveillance at the OS level, now that people are finally starting to care a bit about their privacy.
If it is to do something to keep the kids away from harm (you mentioned to reduce manipulation of kids) how does spinning 3 wheels with numbers, attached to no verification whatsoever, help? This is that useless ‘Are you over 18?’ pop-up all over again, where you just click ‘yes’ and move on with whatever it is you wanted to get away with. So, on that front, unless this is designed to put undue extra responsibility and work on the OS developers, this makes no sense (of course, I’m more than willing to hear you counter this theory).
Now, if it’s just that first step, the politicians trying to see what else they can get away with pushing on the population, one step at a time, next they will add ‘the OS will require a picture of the user holding an ID to confirm the entered date of birth, but it will remain local, the OS will just reply yes or no to the apps requesting the info’. Then it’ll be ‘will be sent to a government database for safeguarding’, and so on until you no longer can get away from not showing your face and ID to everyone out there.
Anyway, which one makes more sense to you, honestly?
Slippery nipples for everyone!
It’s crazy that the reddit/Lemmy hivemind opposes the most mild regulations on predatory app stores and the argument is well this law is fine but it COULD slippery nipples our way to a much worse law that is completely different in its form and intent than this law.
I guess you can take the corporate surveillance out of reddit, but you can’t take the libertarian instincts out of the redditors.
Hardly a ‘hive mind’ situation when everything governments all over the world and big corporations have shown, time and again, that they will step up the surveillance any chance they get, try to get away with it, and if they do (which happens all too often), step it up yet again, rinse and repeat.
But you follow your optimistic way of view, at least you’ll be happier than most of us until you see how right we’ve been all along.
It can be bad, but it doesn’t have to be. It’s not bad if you’re just using it as a tool and understand that it’s not your only tool. Heavy equipment operators use their machines like extensions of their body. It doesn’t mean it’s bad or that they forget how to use their arms and legs or that they don’t still exercise their arms and legs sometimes. Use tools when it’s appropriate to and don’t when it isn’t, and always make sure you can use a variety of different tools including the ones you were born with and you’ll be fine.
I have tens of thousands of notes in my notes app. Please explain where I’m supposed to store that without a computer. Or am I supposed to just forget all that?
That made me think of this very old Tom Scott video.
Welcome to Life: the singularity, ruined by lawyers
http://tomscott.com - Or: what you see when you die.If you liked this, you may also enjoy two novels that provided inspiration for it: Jim Munroe's Everyone ...
After reading that it sure seems like they said a lot just to say that in the end they’ll probably end up complying.
They outline the issues from their perspective.
What else should they do? Break their own licence model (which prohibits (geographic) discrimination) or break the law? It’s either one of those two or comply.
That’s an utterly ignorant statement.
To expect others, often volunteer, to take such a personal risk because the legislation in one part of the world is utterly fucked. How about expecting the people who actually live in the country and state and have a chance to influence those laws to step up their game instead of trying to tell third parties to take individual and personal consequence.
that’s a solution if you’re a hobbyist living in Kazakhstan, not if you’re a business operating in the USA (with multiple people and their families depending on you not screwing up)
SturgistOk, then just start region blocking places with these laws. If the OS connects to the internet and sees it’s in a banned region it locks itself down irreparably or deletes the network drivers and permanently blocks reinstallation. Region block all said regions from even downloading the install files. Put a legally valid entry in the EULA saying that use in those regions is absolutely prohibited without exception and any use by anyone is without the company’s permission and all responsibility for that is on the user.
Thank you for distilling that.
The only solution is to educate our children about life with digital abundance. Throwing them into the deep end when they’re 16 or 18 is too late. It’s a wonderful and weird world.
I’ve been seeing this or some variant of it, as if current protections are sufficient and we just need better parents. Yet having this procides another layer to teach and monitor.
Also the damage social media does for a 16 year old is far less than an 11 or 13 year old.
Or even a 6 year old judging by the amount of literal toddlers with full blown iPads
It’s more about experience than age. If you prevent 13 year olds from gaining online experience, they’ll have the same level of inexperience when you expose them to the internet at 16.
So you agree it’s good to expose them in a limited way between 13-16 so they gain some experience without being preyed on by predators like Epstein and Kotick?
You agree the law is good then or do you think we should hook babies up to iPads to build up immunity like RFK and the antivax cultists that believe in chickenpox parties over regulations.
for anyone still on the fence if astroturfing bots are on lemmy.
exhibit A.
everyone I disagree with is a bot
Pathetic!
never said I agree or disagree with you.
just pointed out you’re astroturfing.
How is disagreeing with the hysteria “astroturfing”?
If you’re going to call everyone not on board with your fear cult a bot you could at least stick to your claim instead of changing them.
you have yet to deny you’re astroturfing…
So you know what astroturfing means?
I’m clearly not presenting myself as a grassroots campaign for something, I’m just laughing at the reddit/Lemmy hivemind’s collective hallucination on this.
I’m just laughing at the reddit/Lemmy hivemind’s collective hallucination on this.
got it. the right to privacy is a joke to you.
No, people who don’t confidently understand reality are.
You litterally just claimed you don’t send user-agent strings to servers, it’s not surprising some dumber than AI level takes can get you worked up about a bill doing things it doesn’t do.
You litterally just claimed you don’t send user-agent strings to servers
can you quote where I said that, or are you just going to keep lying?