RE: https://mastodon.social/@404mediaco/116178581339270397

Proton is a honey pot. If you are using it as an activist you should think twice about what its actually providing you.

heres the full article behind the paywall https://archive.ph/gx6U4 (yes I know archive.today has some serious issues too, but I don't have a better source to unpaywall links yet)

@liaizon I think in this case every email provider would need to comply to local laws and give the same data, right? Because they can't operate with credit card without read access to this data.

I remember Mullvad had nice alternative payment options, but I can't see how a credit card payment would be different there for example, but I don't know if i'm missing something

@hipgnose they advertise themselves as a Security and Privacy product to people who then think it is SAFE for them to give personal data to Proton cause they are a "privacy respecting" email provider. There is ways to make money without collecting peoples credit card info and assigning it to the registered account. This is why projects like https://njal.la exist
Njalla — Worlds most notorious privacy provider for domains, VPS' and VPNs.

Njalla — Considered the worlds most notorious &quote;Privacy as a Service&quote; provider for domains, VPS' and VPNs.

@liaizon @hipgnose their TOS " Njalla reserves the right to provide relevant authorities, governmental bodies, courts or other similar institutions with any information mentioned under section 6.1 above about you in case of violation of section 4.2 above. "
@shadowwwind @hipgnose yes they are also a business that has to "follow the law". I would be interested to know what information they do save on their accounts, and I would also be critical of them if they start handing over personal data like proton does and still make the claims they make. they are also very upfront about accepting payment that you can set up not tied to a government name and getting the full thing they offer
@liaizon @hipgnose huh, proton also only handed data after haven gotten a valid Swiss court order, they had to follow the law. And as far as I understood the statement of the proton person, they also only handed the data to Swiss officials and they gave it the fbi