not_IOlet's kill proton mail
stoyI saw a post about this earlier, it is a nothingburger.
The user in question paid for his account with a personal credit card, he didn’t use an anonymous payment alternative which are available.
Proton has stated that they will comply with law enforcement requests, but are working to maintain as few logs as possible.
This is an opsec failure on the user’s side.
This is not Proton handing IDs of their customers to the government on a silver platter, this is their customer not understanding the service they use.
People shouldnt need to think about opsec to have private emails. False advertising on Protonmails part, and government policy issue in the countries in question.
It’s not theoretical. Protonmail should not have handed over the personal data for victims of political persecution.
They clearly give you options to avoid this scenario, this is not on Proton, this is simply an opsec fail of the user.
Don’t get me wrong, opsec is hard, exhausting and just annoying, it needs discipline and constant focus, you only need to fail once for it to be ineffective.
The customer signed up for Proton, but didn’t follow their guidelines for anonymity, that is not a failure of proton, it is a failure of the user.
Maybe they’ve changed the website, but when I started using Proton, they never gave me any warning about paying with a credit card.
And that is why you would have failed at opsec.
You can’t demand warnings about stuff like that all the time, YOU need to teach yourself these things.
You can’t rely on anyone else for your own opsec.
That is the entire argument here.
The guy should have read up on protecting his anonymity before he started his activities.
Opsec fails have brought down many, many people.
From darknet site owners, to government agency operations, to countries at war and more.
Opsec sounds easy at first, but it is extremely difficult, and you can’t rely on anyone else doing your job for you.
You need to develop OCD like habits, you need to understand why they are needed, and what you are giving away when breaking them.
You imply that a warning would have prevented the guy from using his credit card, I don’t think it would have made any difference, the guy would either not understand at all, or just ignore it
Unless he intuitively understood that Proton was required to retain cc numbers for X years, and that these cc numbers were tied to a specific transaction, his account and his identity, I just don’t see him taking a warning serious.
This is the real world, it isn’t fair, it doesn’t care, you need to care about this for your self preservation.
🏴☠️𝔊𝔯𝔞𝔳𝔦𝔱𝔞𝔰🏴☠️How do you think it would play out if protob refuses lawful orders from a court in the country they operate in?
I do think proton does a lot of misleading advertising, but its still on the user to research and have good opsec. Paying with a card when crypto is an option, using the same service for both email and a vpn, using that service from a public wifi near where you are known to live while actively doing crimes.. Proton is running a business not a criminal protection racket.
Privacy is not a crime, nor is protesting.
Correct, but arson vandalismn and a call for violence is. I couldn’t what exactly the charges awere in the MLAT request, so i have to go what 404 wrote
One can argue if the swiss goverment should have honired the MLAT request…unfortunately, that thing was put in place before the USA whent insane, and most countries do honor agreements they sign