AaronMar 6
Re: Proton drama

I'm increasingly convinced the way forwards, for data services in general, is the co-op model. The customers are the owners, basically. People in the US like me might understand the Credit Union model for banking - except for email, for "cloud" anything, etc.

I have the skill to self host email, and honestly, I actively enjoy doing it. EXCEPT the end user support - I don't want to answer calls configuring Outlook, for example.

But the amount of effort I'm putting in for my single email address would be the same for 1,000 email addresses all routed to different people. Add one more human like me, effects multiply, maybe 10,000.

... maybe we need coops to employ people like me for the benefit of the members. Not just for email - for your Plex. Your Wordpress. Your Nextcloud. Your Discord knockoff.

This would be so much more meaningful of a job than my Fortune 500 paycheck provides. Sign me the fuck up. I might even take a pay cut.
Show threadK4-713 Mar 6

@aaron The only reason I don't also host things for my pals is that, as one person, I can't quite promise the nines that just about everyone is used to these days.

I would seriously consider joining a co-op for decent grassroots hosting of various services with an option to work in sysadmin if it paid okay.
Just okay is fine.
Oh oh and health benefits.

Show threadAaronMar 6
@K4_713 Yep. My health benefits are currently flaming hot trash, so, I've not much to loose there.

I'm willing to volunteer time, unpaid, to make this happen if there's others willing to commit what they have ( skills, access, money, etc ) to the pool as well. I know what I have is in short supply and I will, in fact, donate and help train others.

But I can't do it all I can't do the human side. I can't handle money or taxes. I'm not a lawyer.
Show threadAaronMar 6
@K4_713 But in terms of number of nines: my experience with this work, it takes about three humans to round out 24x7x365 on call.

Not all need to be experts. Just skilled enough to triage for the experts goes a very long way.
Show threadK4-713 
@aaron Yeah, that lines up with my experience, too. Particularly if you're not all doing 9 to 5 in the same timezone.
Mar 6 at 4:45amWeb
Show threadAaronMar 6
@K4_713 Exactly!

The only thing really stopping my coop idea, aren't tech problems:

A) Trust
B) Getting enough people on the same page ( aka Management )

I can't do either. I'm too close to the silicon.