i'm sort of over talking about AI. It feels like an inevitable steamroller I can really do nothing about and it feels like we risk just agreeing with each other here perpetually.

Also I think if anyone followed me in the first place it was for some retro-pc-tinkering topic rather than some hot take on the color of Sam Altman's underwear.

So, a poll:

Please stick to posting about obscure retro shit and torturing EGA cards for fun
50%
Actually, your opinions about AI are the best opinions, please continue
18.2%
Occasional AI doom-posting is fine but do it too much and I am going to unfollow you so hard
31.8%
Poll ended at .

@gloriouscow I would prefer a fourth option:

I don't think I really agree with your AI opinions for reasons too long to list here*. But I'd rather you discuss them rather than appease the "no politics, stick to retrocomputing" crowd.

* I guess a TL;DR without going into the weeds is "I do not find 'throw more resources at it' intellectually fulfilling."

@cr1901 This really isn't appeasing anyone, nobody has told me to stfu, i'm just curious if people want me to stay "on topic" or not. On any social platform any replies you get probably represents 1% of people's reactions to what you're actually saying, specially since there aren't any downvotes here.

I don't really understand your TL;DR - I don't feel like I exactly expressed approval of the staggering amount of resources being poured into the development of AI - in fact I find it more than slightly horrifying.

I just see it happening and draw conclusions, not necessarily correct ones, mind you, but ...

I realize there are a lot of people who predict this is all an enormous bubble, which will inevitably pop and that will be the end of it, like we'll all look back in a decade and say "hey, remember that ChatGPT thing?" as if we were reminiscing about the Zune.

I am reminded about the dotcom crash - in the same way that every dumb, overhyped idea startups had in 2000 is now pretty much an established and profitable business model, I do not think that we are going to escape the inevitable even if all the current big players go out of business.

This is, after all, a global arms race, and the failure of any one company just becomes discount IP for the next. The economic reward for whoever crosses the AGI finish line first is so staggeringly huge that every venture capitalist alive hasn't had to fill a viagra prescription since 2022.

@gloriouscow It seems I interpreted parts of your thread as more positive than you intended. The "laughing it off as "slop"" sentence irks me for reasons I can't seem to put into words.

@cr1901 I could have phrased that better - we all know that the internet is currently experiencing a tsunami of automated, inaccurate, AI-generated content that is fairly described as slop, and we know it when we see it.

I have a near daily experience of clicking on some article and getting a paragraph in and realizing it's all ChatGPT-speak.

I guess my awkwardly attempted point is that I find rallying behind slang like slop risks diluting a word that accurately describes specific phenomenon - if we're just going to call any use of AI slop, in any context, even if it was employed to successfully solve a quantifiable, testable problem, then we're just parroting a word rather than engaging in any nuanced discussion about why otherwise talented and intelligent software developers might find it useful.

@gloriouscow That last paragraph is very well-said :D.

I wanted a future where everyone was empowered to mold software to make their own bespoke tools to satisfy their exact use case. Perhaps that's idealistic, but I certainly would've been happier with that future than what we got- a vague approximation of a panacea that nobody understands.

('m also a hypocrite in the sense e.g. I bitch about Forth community hating ANS Forth lmao. But hey, my morals aren't self-consistent :D)