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Proton Mail Helped FBI Unmask Anonymous ‘Stop Cop City’ Protester

https://lemmy.world/post/43899736

Proton Mail Helped FBI Unmask Anonymous ‘Stop Cop City’ Protester - Lemmy.World

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Mar 5 at 10:59pmWeb
Show threadamniotic druidMar 5
FFS
Show threadThePyroPythonMar 5
As a proton customer, I share this sentiment… (Exasperated Siiiiiigggghhhh)
Show threadamniotic druidMar 5
Canceling my subscription tonight. All their apps were neat conveniences for me, but I’ll live without it. I’ve fortunately got cold copies of all my files on Drive already, but this is awful to see
Show threadThePyroPythonMar 5
Yeah I don’t have the time to do that right now, but it’s mullvad and time to learn self-hosting for me.
Show threadamniotic druidMar 5
I’ve been using Mullvad even with Proton VPN the whole time, anyway. It’s a great provider. Also need to learn how to self host
Show threadtheunknownmuncherMar 6
Not surprising given Proton Mail is owned by a far right Trump supporter.
Show threadJo MiranMar 6
Stop spreading lies and misinformation. We get enough of that shit from the fascists.
Show threadzkfcfbzrMar 6

I mean, what’s the alternative here? The Swiss government, which they are subject to, issued a legal warrant. Any email provider you want to use will be subject to warrants. All of them.

They are technically incapable by design of complying with warrants for email data. In this case they were able to provide personally identifying payment data because the person paid for their account with… a credit card. They offer crypto payment options, and would not have been able to usefully comply had the person used that method.

Show threadCevilia (they/she/…)Mar 6
The alternative is literally a single sentence: “That person paid by crypto, we have no payment details on file for them.”
Show threadzkfcfbzrMar 6
I get the sentiment, but no serious company is going to survive for very long lying to its government when it receives search warrants. This is not a realistic solution.
Show threadMacMar 6

helped FBI adhered to Swiss legal requirements

Are you guys expecting companies to break the laws of their own countries on your behalf?

Show threadsp3ctr4lMar 6

Nah, just expecting honest, straightforward marketing.

Here’s an example:

Hey we do E2EE and shit, but if you pay us for it, and the US government gets mad at you, we’ll fuck you.

There, see?

Honest, simple.

Show threadMacMar 6
So, from your perspective, all companies should include, in their marketing campaigns, that they wont break the law for you? lol
Show threadBlue_MorphoMar 6

When their marketing is based on privacy, they need to be honest that they’re not going to be private.

I recall other companies using “canaries” to help their customers know that they had been compromised by the government but were legally not allowed to talk about it.

Show thread73rdNemesioMar 6
They’ve never had a true Warrant Canary. They have however always posted an annual Transparency Report on their blog. Where they reference they advise by Swiss Law. proton.me/legal/transparency
Transparency report | Proton

Proton's transparency report with aggregate statistics of legal orders from the Swiss authorities, covering Proton Mail, Proton Drive, and Proton Calendar.

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Show threadKilgore TroutMar 7
*abide
Show threadInnerworldMar 7
Proton’s response