J.R. CrucianiProtonMail provides information used to identify email owner...
The 8232 ProjectProton was legally ordered by the Swiss justice department to hand over the (severely limited) information about a law breaking organization’s account. They had paid for Proton using a credit card instead of the anonymous payment methods Proton offers, and that is what Proton was forced to hand over. It was the organization’s bad OpSec, not Proton willingly deanonymizing users.
Lytia Hopefully people like you will be able to nip this in the bud before yet another joke of a controversy starts…
OP’s title certainly doesn’t help.
Arthur BesseWhy do you think Proton stores the association between accounts and payment identity?
Many privacy-oriented companies actually accept credit card payments and simply don’t store that information.
answer:proton is snake oil
The CEO of PROTON answers YOUR questions! Drive, Linux support, Photos, features, and a lot more! - Lemmy
Andy Yen, the CEO of Proton (Mail, Drive, VPN, Pass…) answered a lot of the questions you, the community, asked, in an interview that covers basically everything! He discusses security, privacy, the origins of Proton, how they operate, Linux support, future projects, products and features, quantum computing, passkeys, and more! Proton Mail: https://proton.me/mail/TheLinuxEXP [https://proton.me/mail/TheLinuxEXP] Proton VPN: https://protonvpn.com/TheLinuxEXP [https://protonvpn.com/TheLinuxEXP] 👏 SUPPORT THE CHANNEL: Get access to a weekly podcast, vote on the next topics I cover, and get your name in the credits: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thelinuxexp/join [https://www.youtube.com/@thelinuxexp/join] Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thelinuxexperiment [https://www.patreon.com/thelinuxexperiment] Liberapay: https://liberapay.com/TheLinuxExperiment/ [https://liberapay.com/TheLinuxExperiment/] Or, you can donate whatever you want: https://paypal.me/thelinuxexp [https://paypal.me/thelinuxexp] 👕 GET TLE MERCH Support the channel AND get cool new gear: https://the-linux-experiment.creator-spring.com/ [https://the-linux-experiment.creator-spring.com/] 🎙️ LINUX AND OPEN SOURCE NEWS PODCAST: Listen to the latest Linux and open source news, with more in depth coverage, and ad-free! https://podcast.thelinuxexp.com [https://podcast.thelinuxexp.com] 🏆 FOLLOW ME ELSEWHERE: Website: https://thelinuxexp.com [https://thelinuxexp.com] Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/web/@thelinuxEXP [https://mastodon.social/web/@thelinuxEXP] Pixelfed: https://pixelfed.social/TLENick [https://pixelfed.social/TLENick] PeerTube: https://tilvids.com/c/thelinuxexperiment_channel/videos [https://tilvids.com/c/thelinuxexperiment_channel/videos] Discord: https://discord.gg/mdnHftjkja [https://discord.gg/mdnHftjkja] #vpn #privacy #proton #onlinesecurity #protonmail Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 01:16 How did Proton start? 03:24 Why start with email? 06:03 What is Proton’s business model? 08:34 Why set up in Switzerland? 11:33 What data do you have on customers? 14:39 How is encryption important? 18:20 Do you always need to use a VPN? 20:47 Why focus on building an ecosystem? 24:55 Is an Office Suite planned? 26:29 What differentiates Proton from competitors? 30:26 Is Proton a viable alternative to big tech services? 33:31 Why expand to more products instead of finishing existing ones? 37:19 Does the general public care about privacy? 38:45 What’s next for Proton services? 40:08 What are the plans for native Linux clients? 46:03 Will ProtonVPN offer dedicated IPs to everyone? 47:46 What’s the environmental impact of Proton? 49:27 Proton on F-Droid, without Google Play notifications? 52:03 Why are code repos all separated and hard to find? 53:12 Why are addresses ending in “.me” ? 54:57 When will all apps reach feature parity? 56:24 Will SMTP relay be supported? 57:47 Will Proton focus more on businesses in the future? 59:50 Why put all your eggs in one basket with just Proton services? 01:01:00 Will Proton support passkeys? 01:03:21 Does E2E matter is the recipient isn’t using it? 01:04:49 Will Proton disable port forwarding in VPN? 01:06:41 Is encryption enough to make email private? 01:09:06 What protects users from a change in Proton’s code licensing? 01:11:14 How does Proton protect its infrastructure? 01:13:14 Impacts of Quantum Computing on privacy and security? 01:14:24 What’s the future of Proton Bridge? 01:16:25 When will Proton photos be a thing? 01:17:17 Plans for Proton Notes? 01:18:20 Will VPN support the Apple TV? 01:21:12 Support the channel
Aldrik@Charger8232 @jrcruciani The bug is between keyboard and chair. It is always a problem to use crédit card.
Owned by Kape technologies, and uses Google analytics. Big nope. Any VPN service worth its money support anon payments (including gift cards) anyways.
Gift cards don’t work for me. Guess I need one ordered from outside the US.
Da Cap’nI just switched from proton to mailbox. Mailbox gives you a say so over what happens when law enforcement asks for your account info.
Mailbox.org doesn’t have the option for anonymous payments beyond payments in cash, which was the reason for the article in the first place.
You do realize that you don’t get time, generally speaking, to delete things, when a government legally demands your info, right?
As soon as any company sees a lawful order demanding information, deleting it becomes a crime.
If this same thing happened to mailbox.org, you heard about it immediately, and hit all the delete buttons you can find, mailbox.org will still hand over your info to them, as they’re legally obligated to do so. It’s not a gdpr violation or anything like that.
Luminous5481 "Lawless Heathen" [they/them]the germans share intelligence with US agencies. you’re more likely to have your data given to the US government if your email provider is in germany than you are if they are most other places in europe.
they also keep trying to pass laws to force all tech companies to backdoor encryption in germany. when that happens, your data would be safer literally anywhere else, including currently the US.
article in case you can’t read it: lemmy.ml/post/44086795
proton coulda put up a fight, a loud one, for optics sake if nothing else. rolling over on any (and by implication, all) request should be the last straw in their long line of snafus; by way of “death by a thousand cuts”, I would never entrust them with anything of importance.
signal demonstrated that you could decouple payment info from user data and a shop that touts the privacy part of their offerings coulda at least mimic such a thing.
Proton Mail Helped FBI Unmask Anonymous ‘Stop Cop City’ Protester - Lemmy
Proton Mail Helped FBI Unmask Anonymous ‘Stop Cop City’ Protester [https://lemmy.ml/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.404media.co%2Fcontent%2Fimages%2F2026%2F03%2FStop_Cop_City.jpg] Privacy-focused email provider Proton Mail provided Swiss authorities with payment data that the FBI then used to determine who was allegedly behind an anonymous account affiliated with the Stop Cop City movement in Atlanta, according to a court record reviewed by 404 Media. The records provide insight into the sort of data that Proton Mail, which prides itself both on its end-to-end encryption and that it is only governed by Swiss privacy law, can and does provide to third parties. In this case, the Proton Mail account was affiliated with the Defend the Atlanta Forest (DTAF) group and Stop Cop City movement in Atlanta, which authorities were investigating for their connection to arson, vandalism and doxing. Broadly, members were protesting the building of a large police training center next to the Intrenchment Creek Park in Atlanta, and actions also included camping in the forest and lawsuits [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/28/georgia-cop-city-killing?ref=404media.co]. Charges against more than 60 people have since been dropped. — From 404 Media [https://www.404media.co/] via this RSS feed [https://www.404media.co/rss]
article in case you can’t read it: lemmy.ml/post/44086795
that link only has two paragraphs of the article; there are 8 more in the full article here on archive.org
Proton Mail Helped FBI Unmask Anonymous ‘Stop Cop City’ Protester - Lemmy
Proton Mail Helped FBI Unmask Anonymous ‘Stop Cop City’ Protester [https://lemmy.ml/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.404media.co%2Fcontent%2Fimages%2F2026%2F03%2FStop_Cop_City.jpg] Privacy-focused email provider Proton Mail provided Swiss authorities with payment data that the FBI then used to determine who was allegedly behind an anonymous account affiliated with the Stop Cop City movement in Atlanta, according to a court record reviewed by 404 Media. The records provide insight into the sort of data that Proton Mail, which prides itself both on its end-to-end encryption and that it is only governed by Swiss privacy law, can and does provide to third parties. In this case, the Proton Mail account was affiliated with the Defend the Atlanta Forest (DTAF) group and Stop Cop City movement in Atlanta, which authorities were investigating for their connection to arson, vandalism and doxing. Broadly, members were protesting the building of a large police training center next to the Intrenchment Creek Park in Atlanta, and actions also included camping in the forest and lawsuits [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jan/28/georgia-cop-city-killing?ref=404media.co]. Charges against more than 60 people have since been dropped. — From 404 Media [https://www.404media.co/] via this RSS feed [https://www.404media.co/rss]
geneva_convenienceProton did some PR for Trump a while ago that didn’t get them on everyones good side.
DJ PutlerYou really want to give your email provider your phone number. “Privacy” for instances that assemble botnets and block VPNs doesn’t even include avoiding metadata collection. You guys are simply very salty and lazy that the best-advertised options are all connected to NATO intelligence agencies. Which really should be obvious to any person that hasn’t thrown their intuition in the garbage due to its interference with their entertainment. You really bought the Swiss Nazi neutrality ploy, closing in on a century past its expiration date. Is this not bleak?
just really sad to call yourself a privacy company and then feed your customer to the gestapo
people can end up as embarrassing footnotes in history a number of different ways, but being a dishonest coward company in the privacy sphere is basically speedrunning it
hackitfastI never trusted ProtonMail. Right when you sign up, you’re constantly bombarded with advertisements to upgrade to pro. They’re plastered everywhere with obnoxious banners.
I get that they’re a business and they need money to operate, but the ads are so obnoxiously “in your face” that in my mind their priority isn’t your privacy, it’s your money.
Tutamail is the better service.