Anarchists have their resources too, don’t you think? Even being a anarchist takes some skill, after all.

How much over intellectualizing does it take to need to read about anarchy?

I mean, standing in the shoulders of giants and all that. May as well lean into the human ability to be more effective by learning from generations of experience.

Learning and passing down knowledge are great human capabilities. That goes without saying. I was questioning how much that applies to the idea of anarchy before you’re simply thinking about it too much. Like, are you making rules for how to anarchy?

Anarchism has a good deal of theory associated with how a horizontalist society can come to be and function. It very much isn’t just 'vibes," even if I disagree with it.

See that’s the problem I have with this position. Knowledge is something you either have or don’t. Its something tjat can be kept from you. If someone can be ‘in the know’ about anarchy by studying it, that creates systems of hierarchy and power. Defining it is intellectual oppression. It becomes just another form of political domination and control. Anarchy is, in fact, just vibes.

This is the most extreme form of vibes-based politics I think I’ve seen in a while. By that standard, schools should not exist. This is peak anti-intellectualism to the point of absurdity.

WTF are you talking about? I’m talking about anarchy. Not whether schools should exist. If your employing anarchy as a system of government and expecting schools I don’t know what to say. That’s absurd no matter how much you love the concept.

Have you actually read anarchist theory? I have. I don’t agree with it, but the idea that education is an unjustifiable hierarchy is absurd.

Unfortunately, if I read any text about anarchy it will only lead me further away from what anarchy actually is. That’s the nature of the beast.

No it isn’t, you’re inventing a concept and believing it to be the concept.

And now you’ve made my point about power and control for me. Anarchy is freedom and liberation. Here you are using it as an intellectual prison.

No, I am discussing anarchism the concept as it has evolved over time and has actually existed in real life, even if only for short periods. You’ve invented a brand new ideology that rejects itself as such and undermines its own premise.

And my point is that your idea of anarchy that’s ‘evolved over time’ and has ‘actually existed in real life’ is antithetical to what anarchy actually is. You’ve confused yourself by over intellectualizing the concept.

No, you’ve confused yourself by dogmatically extrapolating what you think anarchy is from vibes and conjecture.

Yes. And if you have a problem with that, you don’t get anarchy.

I don’t want anarchy, I’m a communist. That doesn’t mean I can afford to invent strawmen to argue against, I take anarchism seriously precisely because I don’t agree with it. I evaluate it on its own merits and theory, not by my own invented strawman.

Saying anarchy as a concept is about the freedom to define anarchy how I want isn’t a strawman. It’s just being true to anarchy.

No, it’s nonsense and dishonest.

Well when I see people gatekeeping the idea of anarchy I can’t help but call them out for it. Sorry.

Nope, you’re trying to impose your dogmatic, nonsense views on a real, existing movement. A movement that I believe has real flaws based on its real positions, and doesn’t need someone inventing a new strawman.

I AM the effigy to burn. I don’t need to make one up. The anarchist movement needs people to question its systems of power. Right down to the very definitions and concepts its built upon. Otherwise, after the revolution, we’ll all just be rounded up and thrown into mass graves by the very people we fought beside. But you wouldn’t know anything about that I guess.

This is nonsense, you’re arguing that making a school is equivalent to necessitating everyone gets thrown into a mass grave.

Hmmm It feels like you cherry picked some different things from the threads and just kind of mixed them together for that one. Very anarchistic of you I like it.