BeepI'm struggling to think of any online services for which I'd be willing to verify my identity or age
CosmicTurtle0 [he/him]The problem with “age” verification is that politicians are confusing it with identity verification.
I should not have to prove my name and other biometrics to prove age.
Age verification is the fascist way to get people to identify themselves and their online activity. Almost every state that has some sort of age verification law has zero method to actually verify age. No digital ID service, no way to share a credential for verification.
They want people to upload an ID.
This isn’t about keeping children safe and it never is. It’s about identifying critics of the government.
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WhyJiffieproblems with that:
- how do you verify that it works the way they say it works
- how do you make yourself heard when it doesn’t
so far the only answer I am aware of for these questions is “you don’t”
The additional problem with that is straight up discrimination. We’re replacing a predatory system with another discriminatory system. It is essentially another path that leads to the same thing. Fighting fascism with fascism.
you won’t be able to use that to verify the integrity of the system when the worry is that its creators are dishonest. you may be able to verify that something has happened (e.g. a successful attestation), but you won’t be able to tell if the attestation was actually executed for your device and the app in question, or it was proxied to another device the devs run to fake attestations.
Dynamo Maushow do you verify that it works the way they say it works
Open source -> you look at the code
how do you make yourself heard when it doesn’t
In proper domcratic counties that is what law is for.
What I want to say with this: it is technically possible to make it proper. There is a interest not to do it properly.
how do you verify that it works the way they say it works
Open source -> you look at the code
a source code repository on github does not have any guarantees that they are distributing the software built from exactly that source code.
but even worse, almost all such apps are closed source. and you have no chance to verify what runs on the server in either case.
how do you make yourself heard when it doesn’t
In proper domcratic counties that is what law is for.
is this “law” thing you mentioned able to make your thoughts appear telepathically in the minds of millions of others, without a channel like the internet?
are you going to post to facebook with your discovery and hope millions will see it and agree with you?
or are you going to grab a big board and a megaphone and go to the town square about the problem?
this is probably the more effective way, but you’ll be called obnoxious, especially by those who have no idea about the tech they use
What I want to say with this: it is technically possible to make it proper.
There seems to be a interest not to do it properly.