StametsMight have been right
FiniteBanjoGod’s plan, not likely, but a Chinese plan definitely.
BazellAt this point, deal as much damage to the US in any possible way is a hope of many people after all the shit that happened recently.
The USA cannot be allowed to fall, not to Trump or any other despot, because even in its current state: China and Russia are worse and will leap, claws out, at any opportunity created by the fall of the USA.
Lucy :3
LemmyoutofhereFunny that you think it can be stopped.
Russia’s lasted 20 years under a despot, China over 70 years.
Russia’s lasted under nothing but despots for >500 years.
Yes but I was only counting their current system, though Putin certainly does appear like a continuation of the USSR except more christian and less friendly to women.
Big fan of this joke.
All Russian history can be compressed into five words.
“…and then, it got worse.”
Just like Iran, the best outcome is that it must simply change.
The US and Israel MUST be allowed to bomb every school and hospital they want FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Or perhaps the fascist imperial ambitions of the US and Israel are bad, actually
If the precision airstrike bombs that hit the elementary school turned out to be Iranian it wouldn’t surprise me at all. Trump is only in power now because of Russian and Chinese election interference in the USA.
That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal.
And if it is, that’s not my fault. <- you are here
And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
ditto
So your solution is what? Have another hostile (and worse) world power conquer them? Eradicate them, maybe? What?
The USA.
at this point, the USA is just as bad as any of the rest so I don’t buy your position even if it were inevitable which it is not.
The USA will implode, if not through war, at least economically and then, most likely, the EU would be the next in line
So your plan is to complain for the next 20 years, then bend over and wait for China to fuck you?
Again, I do not believe your assessment is correct so no, I do not expect to bend over for China…
Rich for you to attempt to make this case when currently, literally, the USA is asking the rest of the world to bend over and take it
American exceptionalism is one hell of a drug
If the precision airstrike bombs that hit the elementary school turned out to be Iranian it wouldn’t surprise me at all.
If you fell for that bs here, I bet you fell for that same bs when they did the same in Gaza.
Trump is only in power now because of Russian and Chinese election interference in the USA.
Trump won because Biden/Harris ran such a profoundly bad campaign that they lost votes to the couch. So bad that they’re either staggeringly incompetent or deliberately fumbled.
If the Chinese are behind this, which I think is reasonably likely, they’ve played it beautifully. Their hands look pretty clean while they manipulate Putin to run all their campaigns through Russia.
And the only real evidence we have is that nearly everything that happens benefits China.
- Huge damage to America’s soft power
- Damage to America’s military
- Reduced power of the dollar
- Weakening of NATO
- Destruction of the US green energy production, especially EVs.
- US operational security is the weakest it has ever been
- Loss of moral authority to contest imperialism, such as Hong Kong and Taiwan
There is a lot of evidence of Chinese exerting their influence in the USA. They directly and openly supported Trump via TikTok, they frequently run social media psyops and botnets (with zero subtlety, too), and they frequently are the source of cyberattacks on US industries and outlets.
There is also a lot of evidence of their involvement directly with Iran and indirectly with Gaza, Jordan, Egypt, and Israel.
It’s not clever or beautiful, it’s a bunch of dumb assholes having a proxy war and fucking things up for everyone.
There is a lot of evidence of Chinese exerting their influence in the USA. They directly and openly supported Trump via TikTok, they frequently run social media psyops and botnets (with zero subtlety, too), and they frequently are the source of cyberattacks on US industries and outlets.
And this is different from the USA peddling and forcing their stuff down everybody’s throat because?
I should also point out that none of that “influence” would have been effective if the USA had a working government that did do everything possible to keep its own people poor, sick and uneducated
There is also a lot of evidence of their involvement directly with Iran and indirectly with Gaza, Jordan, Egypt, and Israel.
Oh I see… of course, these are countries where the USA has never had any influence in… Now that I think of it, the USA rarely influences any foreign country
It’s not clever or beautiful, it’s a bunch of dumb assholes having a proxy war and fucking things up for everyone.
You mean the USA right?
Yes clearly microsoft selling you a software license is equivalent to you compromising millions of routers and using them as a botnet for taking various services down.
Which boot are you insinuating I am licking? You’re the one defending a Dictator’s open hostility when we were in times of peace. You’re the one trying to legitimize the Trump admin.
Perhaps you might be projecting? A lot?
Which boot are you insinuating I am licking?
The USA’s so in today’s world it would be the Orange Pedophile’s boot
You’re the one defending a Dictator’s open hostility when we were in times of peace.
I have not, that is all part of your weak strawman
You’re the one trying to legitimize the Trump admin.
Ok, you are either confusing the many people you are trying to troll or you have having a stroke
Me saying China is worse is not the same as saying China is good. Thats the problem with you fucking Tankies, you know your side is shit but you’ve somehow justified unquestioning faith in a side.
Thats literally what I said to you
yes, and then go around complaining that “us tankies” (not sure who you are even talking about) “somehow justified unquestioning faith in a side”
You can’t even keep what you think is good or bad straight in this conversation
It almost feels like you’ve forgotten the conversation so far, that I would need to reiterate “USA has to change not collapse because its collapse would create an even worse situation with Russia and China”. That’s why you come off as a fuckin Tankie, because you want what China wants.
Reviewing your comment history, you’ve been critical of China in the past, so I guess you’re the shortsighted anarchist.
It’s clear your reading comprehension is low… I have never said I want anything to do with China and I have repeatedly said I do not buy your premise that should the USA diminish, the world would find itself under China’s or Russia’s thumb
I have not bought into your low level strawman (that means I do not believe your premise!)… and all attempts from you to keep putting my position as a China loving person are laughable (I guess to anyone but you since it seems to escape you over and over)
If TikTok has shown us anything it’s that you don’t need to be paid to serve the interests of China.
All China had to do to implement their evil scheme was stay out of all this crap and make money. Those bastards.
That’s a list of benefits that benefits every other country that isn’t the USA. Other than arguably the weakening of NATO, but other than that I would say that’s not really the “evidence” you think it is.
I think it’s way more likely he’s just a really shitty president with a highly incompetent cabinet and various other appointees. I mean he’s also in bed with Russia but that’s just on top of him being really bad at the job.
bizarrolandGiven that in the 80s and 90s it was well known that Trump had ties to the Russian mafia, it may not be a Chinese plan, or at least not a 100% Chinese plan. It might be a coalition of China and Russia working to destroy America and American politicians being bribed into going along with it.
No one factor was the singular deciding one, no but, but in the context of a brainwashed Chinese dad its the most topical one.
Millennials are sandwiched between boomers and new boomers. It would be nice if there was a generation between the boomers and millennials but unfortunately it goes boomers, there is a gap for some reason, then millennials.
Like that joke, that’s funny, because Gen X was supposed to be a placeholder for a generation we didn’t yet understand but it just sort of stuck.