There are a lot of reasons for the downfall of the #USA but a big one is the purchase of traditional #media by plutocrat goons

Look at this fucking shit:

EDIT: some people are angry that i am potentially misleading because this isn't a recent headline. i am trying to make a point about the decay of traditional media and our current state of things. but yes, this is is from 2014, after #bezos bought WaPo. my point still stands, and you should follow my account for commentary, not breaking news

@benroyce No one wants to click. I don't blame any of you. Here is an archive.ph link: https://archive.ph/Uiu60

Apparently it was written by Ian Morris who claimed to be a professor at Stanford back in 2014. Also, apparently Obama is an illegal president. Or so it says.

Democracy dies in darkness alright — and they were at the forefront of trying to spread that darkness even back then.

@nazokiyoubinbou @benroyce

Unrelated to the main topic but it's worth mentioning that archive.today have been doing some shady shit. I'd steer clear of them if for no other reason than to not risk being part of the botnet. Wikipedia recently banned them as a source because of that and them manipulating their archive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archive.today

archive.today - Wikipedia

@boo_ @benroyce I don't particularly trust or like them, but what the heck else can I use?

No archive.org doesn't work the same. It seems to be pickier about saving pages (well, an older one like that might be in there, but often new stuff isn't. And there seem to be a lot of limits on getting them to actually archive something at will.) Sometimes one just wants a quick little snapshot of some dumb news article that isn't worth truly saving.

This one doesn't *deserve* archive.org really...

@nazokiyoubinbou @benroyce

Yeah, I don't think there really is an alternative yet, but I just thought it'd be worth mentioning so people know the potential risks given the history of the site and are able to make informed decisions about whether to use it. The DDOS thing is not something you'd know unless you read about it or checked your browser console, for example.

@boo_ @benroyce Well, I think a lot of us heard about Wikipedia banning them. That was kind of big.

I'm mostly using them for crapsites like Washington Post that deserve to see as few accesses as possible (and better still, for those to be to something like that instead of to an actual user.) Actually... if they wanted to DDoS washington post I think I might just look the other way... 🤫

(Like even if they serve Russia, frankly WP serves Russia too...)

@nazokiyoubinbou

I'm not arguing against archiving the wp link at all and I just heard about the ban from Wikipedia yesterday, but you're right that it did happen a while ago.

But the DDoSing allegations are not of excessive scraping, rather the site embedded malicious JS in the archived pages they served which DDoSed a third site unrelated to the one archived.

@boo_ Gotcha.

If by any chance you should run across some viable alternative and actually remember this conversation, please let me know. (But I wouldn't blame you if you'd forgotten by such a time. It's unlikely to be any time soon.)