I'll take CAMM modules seriously as a replacement or alternative to SODIMMs when I actually see them widely available for sale.
I don't even see them available for special order from my usual tech dealers.
Even Amazon with their countless marketplace sellers, all I can find is a CAMM to SODIMM adaptor board. ​
It's not a real product if you can't get it anywhere.
@maddy I seriously wish CAMM modules would gain traction. They're the perfect compromise of soldered RAM throughput and packaging with only basic service tools to upgrade or replace.
@foxyloon Me too, but I'm bewildered that iFixit would consider CAMM a right to repair win with their latest ThinkPad article when I cannot find them for sale anywhere.

Availability of parts is just as important as the parts being modular.

@maddy 

Paper launches don't mean a damn thing if folks can't actually buy them.

@maddy I think Soldered-down RAM & SSDs should be outlawed as Anti-Repair - Design.

- And I sincerely doubt CAMM will ever be as widespread and common as SODIMM, I'd even doubt they'd come close to MXM or SXM modules…

@F3715H MXM modules were a joke, especially with many devices using them having allowlists for specific cards. I've yet to see SXM in the wild, so I cannot confirm nor deny their existence.

I want CAMM to succeed, especially if it enables low-power and high-speed memory, but I've been hearing about the tech for a few years now with nearly nothing to show for it.

@maddy SXM is mostly used by nvidia for some shitty AI cards. There are adaptor boards to convert those to PCIe on AliExpress.

Granted MXM also wasn't as standardized as CAMM due to it being widely differential based off TDP and board design. JEDEC usually tends to standardize stuff way beforehand.

As for RAM and SSDs: if it ain't fully replaceable & swappable, I cinsider it garbage.

Worst had an HP ProBook which had DRM on RAM and bricked ubattended & PXE-Boot for using non-HP sticks.

@F3715H Ah jeez, that's as bad as my experience with their ProLiant servers. Needed HP RAM or else the fans would run full bore all the time. Assholes.

@maddy only worse is what @kkarhan once showed me:

- Vendor-binning of CPUs!

Like once a CPU was used i.e. in an HP server it won't wotk in a Lenovo Server and vice versa!

- This shit needs to be outlawed for being not just anti-consumer but generating metric tons of 100% avoidable eWaste!

@F3715H @maddy yeah, that shit's harsh.

#ServeTheHome broke the news...

@maddy I truly love how I don’t know any of these words but I support you nonetheless as your friend