macbook neo is $1 more than the base ipad + magic keyboard yikes
the macbook neo is gonna be an insane machine once asahi linux runs on it. macos is such a RAM hog even with memory compression
what I've learned from the macbook neo announcement is:

programmers apparently spend most of their time plugging their laptops into walls and then doing wind sprints back and forth over the power cable, so magsafe is the most important possible feature for any computer
@[email protected] this is actually the main way I get my exercise in at the desk job!

so many broken cables, good thing I never pay for any of the company machines, oh well

back to jump roping the power cables yipee!!!
@[email protected] @bnys

That's why I had to get an after-market, high power USB-C mag connector for my Lenovo.
@khm Apple marketing technique: take away some arbitrary feature, then begrudgingly bring it back after people complain. (See also: the shitty keyboard switches from a few years ago that Apple had to be bullied into removing.)
@khm @bnys I'm trying to see how many reps I can get in before webpack finishes reloading my react app

@khm @bnys Also like, these exist, and are great. I have so many bazillions of these magnetic nubs plugged into every USB-C host port I own (except on the phone nowadays; Qi2/MagSafe charging eliminated the need to care and also metal shavings when welding taught me to stop using them on phones in pockets).

Sure, the laptop looks a bit worse having a magnetic nub sticking out the USB-C port, but these things even carry data lines. I can one-port magnetic dock my laptop FFS, that's way cooler than MagSafe offers.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09WRC7KK8

Amazon.com

@bnys That was my first thought. Once a solid Linux distro supports it I may get one, ideally used so it's even less expensive.

@bnys I imagine it'll probably be fine for it's target market?

IME nontechnical users are pretty decent at cleaning up tabs and quitting programs they're not using

As a fun data point Apple was still making-and-selling the 2020 M1/8/256 Air and selling it at WalMart for $699 until AFAICT just a few weeks ago

And, even with only 8gb of ram it seems like a pretty good deal if you can deal with 8gb of ram and need a Mac, in light of the ipad+keyboard costing within one dollar (lolol)

@bnys The other thing nontechnical people tend to do is not intentionally nerf/remove power, ram, and energy management settings, e.g. almost all modern browsers are pretty good about sleeping tabs and tossing the data from those tabs onto disk freeing up the ram.

(and I "need" 16GB+ of RAM because I turn that feature off much of the time.)

@coryw I want to agree with your points but macOS + Chrome is a bad combo for RAM use, and then a lot of people I know are terrible at managing their tabs. When tabs are put to sleep it'll take a while for them to come back on this device and I imagine users will feel like it's "slow" before too long. It'll be fine but not great.