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Arvīds Kokins> [..] all seek to establish that training an AI model is a copyright infringement. This is wrong [..]
This is such a strange hill to die on. Of course "training" infringes - it's compression.
Framing it as "mathematical analysis" or collecting "facts" is disingenuous.
Fourier transform could be easily described the exact same way, except it's fully reversible.
"Facts" wrt copyright are not meant to be the building blocks needed to reconstruct a work to some degree.
> "Facts" wrt copyright are not meant to be the building blocks needed to reconstruct a work to some degree.
Literally you could write a book describing each brushstroke needed to reconstruct a copyrighted painting without violating that painting's copyright.
@archo Further: the cases against models are only tangentially related to memorization. It's undeniable that these suits would exist even if models had "guardrails" that *perfectly* prevented them from reproducing their training data verbatim. Memorization is *not* the crux of any of these complaints - *training* is.
@pluralistic Perfect memorization is also irrelevant - lossy compression is also a thing, doesn't stop copyright from applying (otherwise reencoding videos would remove their copyright).
Ultimately though what matters for infringement is whether the original work was substantially used to produce the new work (regardless of the exact process) - and clearly that's the case.
Not even the AI companies dispute infringement, they argue that it's "fair use" instead.
> Ultimately though what matters for infringement is whether the original work was substantially used to produce the new work (regardless of the exact process) - and clearly that's the case.
This is completely incorrect.
You could cut a picture into a billion pixels and reconstitute them as a completely different picture without infringing anyone's copyright.
Copyright has nothing to do with whether the constituent components came from a copyrighted work. That's just completely wrong
@archo Internationally, the limitations and exceptions to copyright are cabined by the Berne "three step" test which does not mention whether the constituent parts are drawn from a copyrighted work.
In the US, there's Fair Use's "four factors," one of which does interrogate the amount of the taking, but is not in itself sufficient for a finding of infringement.