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Meme criticising the US two-party system deleted from lemmy.world; now I'm not allowed to post political posts at all

https://pawb.social/post/40594416

Meme criticising the US two-party system deleted from lemmy.world; now I'm not allowed to post political posts at all - Pawb.Social

I posted this meme [https://anarchaos.s3.eu-central-003.backblazeb2.com/posts/Zf/kn/ZfknNc5Yawq7d0f.png] to the Lemmy Shitpost community [https://lemmy.world/c/lemmyshitpost]. I reckoned that it might generate a bit of debate, and would probably end up locked, but the entire post got deleted, and moreover, I’m now forbidden from sharing political posts to the community. Political posts are not against the rules of the community. [https://pawb.social/pictrs/image/3ac17a24-98e8-4ba2-9975-2fd637bc81f0.png] [https://pawb.social/pictrs/image/629203b1-41f1-434f-8f3c-9ae893de0f58.png] I have reason to believe that the post was deleted not because it was controversial, but because the moderator (Decoy321) disagreed with the political slant of the meme. The reason I find this suspicious is because other controversial posts, such as one about veganism [https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/55430539] remains up, and Decoy321 seemed to enjoy the fact it was controversial: [https://pawb.social/pictrs/image/058deb11-1d6f-4ab0-80d1-4b9ffc036f1a.png]

Flyingsquid has been inactive for a year now

bearboiblake Mar 3

I had a quick look through and pretty much every moderator on that community has almost no activity recently, I wonder if they’re using their accounts for moderator action only, and participating on another account.

You can search by mod, flying squid hasn’t been doing anything since he left, as a user or a mod. I don’t know about the others.

No shit show in the community with “shit” in the name!!1!

bearboiblake Mar 3

The thing is, it wasn’t even that bad. People were disagreeing, but for the most part, it wasn’t too bad from what I saw. Only one comment was deleted for incivility prior to the entire thread getting nuked.

I 100% agree with the mod in the comments. It is top tier shit. Maybe you’re just too good at it?!

cowfodder Mar 3

It was Decoy321. Says so right in your modlog.

bearboiblake Mar 3

I don’t see it, what am I missing? Can you share a screenshot and I’ll add it to the post?

They might be using an app. Some of them show a more detailed modlog.

bearboiblake Mar 3

That helped, thank you! I looked at the API request directly in raw JSON, and I can confirm it was indeed Decoy321.

No problem.

Luminous5481 "Lawless Heathen" [they/them]Mar 3

“you’ve started quite a shit show”

well excuse you for assuming a shitpost community would be such a refined and gentlemanly establishment 🤣

Spacehooks Mar 4

cowfodder Mar 3

Using the summit app.

How dare you shitpost in the shitposting community. Your post is exactly the kind of thing I like to see there.

I agree, the mod probably didn’t like the political message.

tidderuuf Mar 3

You should stick to Lemmy Shitpost.

Be One Of Us!

Luminous5481 "Lawless Heathen" [they/them]Mar 3

you angered the libs by pointing out they’re fascists.

the meme is still up in [email protected], so they can mald about it there.

_‌_反いじめ戦隊 Mar 5

Watch this comrades!
🔗!

Search - When we demolishing deathcamps, ? - ani.social

Lemmy

reallykindasorta Mar 3

Something something it’s more dignified to be killed by blue, just don’t post in .world, help grow other servers

bearboiblake Mar 3

Someone has to get dirty rolling around in the trenches with the hogs, gotta burst their bubble occasionally. But yep, you’re right.

Nah I reported your post too. Stop spamming US internal political shit in the shitpost community. Keep that to a US politics community

bearboiblake Mar 3

Thanks for sharing and being honest and I totally get it, but don’t you think that should be a rule that’s fairly and equally enforced, not just applied to posts that the mods personally disagree with?

Yeah fair point, it definitely should be applied equally and its not right if its only subject to mods’ opinions. I really wish the community would ban political posts entirely

The problem with banning politics is determining what’s considered political. Not long ago divorce, adoption, abortion, nazis, and women wearing pants were hot topics. Now it’s immigration, queer folks, abortion and nazis again, and men wearing skirts.

I’d rather endure some of that doom and gloom through a shipost than the rapid onslaught of panic-inducing headlines.

Old-school internet forums usually did that. Not sure about all the nuance and specifics to meme groups… Just saying it’s not a generally impossible thing, or a new idea.

Not saying it hasn’t been done, I’m saying it’s hard to do well. I’ve seen “women’s issues” and “pronouns” included under “politics,” in old-school and new forums, which is why I’m hesitant to agree with no-politics rules.

Sure. I’d consider them politics as well. Those are all topics with a very high chance someone comes along with some (weird) opinion and makes the discussion derail. And then everyone stops discussing the scifi computer game or Linux, and homes in on the controversial topic with a lot of feelings involved.

I think the big cultural achievement is: Forum members have all agreed to live a certain culture. They do it together and there’s some group cohesion and a pre-made agreement to all pull in the same direction. So what I’ve seen a lot of work isn’t done by the mods, but people all identify with the rules and the next random person will step in and state “it’s getting political again”, and then everybody else is cautious not to add to the drama.

I think we lost that with social media. And there’s also less group cohesion here. So we end up handling it out of band, mods have to delete posts. Plus we regularly have to peck out the rules again and again… I mean it’s not as bad as my words make it out to be. And this isn’t entirely down to design and hierarchy. But also group dynamics changed, there’s more regular people online than some 15 years ago instead of nerds amongst themselves. And I think politics became way more polarized.

Ultimately, it’s all part of our lives. There’s obviously demand to discuss politics, pronouns, the crazy setup US Americans call a political system… And I think they’re all valid topics. We just have to figure out a way to make it work. Which isn’t easy. But I think the Fediverse is up to something. Our basic idea allows us to customize the experience, steer clear of some things or dive down… I think we just have to strike some balance and put in some more work because politics is such an all-consuming topic.

The person who comes along with their disruptive opinions should be moderated, not people who simply exist. Being a woman or having chosen pronouns isn’t dramatic.

If someone is uncomfortable with a topic they can simply disengage and start their own thread on their chosen subject.

It’s either accept that no one agrees on what’s considered political, or have firm rules about subjects that can and can’t be discussed.

Hmmh. I think I largely agree… There’s definitely a red line. Things like disrespecting people is unacceptable. That’s what misgendering and questioning pronouns is largely about. And people trying to walk the line and other kinds of behaviour are highly problematic. And done to hurt people. On the other hand I wish we’d come up with a more human way to address these things. Other than implement some super strict rules, enforce them to the letter (to be fair). And then we resort to the ban hammer as the first tool of choice.

I mean in reality there’s a lot of nuance. Sometimes even I make mistakes, and I really appreciate someone takes the time out of their day to confront me. Instead of just going the easy route with the delete or downvote button. I sometimes don’t like to subscribe to the friend or foe mentality and be a bit harsh with people. Sometimes I’ll have a different perspective because I speak a language that doesn’t offer simple words like “driver” and all we have is cumbersome phrasings like “person who drives a car” to phrase it in a way that doesn’t bring in the person’s gender, or leaves out non-binary people. And then I’ll make some snarky remark, but of course that gets people the wrong way… I mean sometimes it is a bit complicated to be a human. And I’m still not sure if confrontation isn’t just part of life.

Of course the people who just exist are entitled to exist. There’s no reason to allow trolls (or whoever) just molest them. I’m just not really convinced that a strict, hierarchical rule-system is going to do what we need to do.

MagnificentSteiner Mar 3

PTB

Good meme :)

I’ll be honest. Even as an anarcho-communist, I don’t care for these kinds of political reductions.

However, given that it’s a shitposting community, seems like lost-nuance is kind of part and parcel to the spirit of the community (which is why I don’t go there). I’d call this PTB.

Draconic NEO Mar 3

PTB, as they say. If you scratch a liberal, a fascist bleeds.

Right wing dipshit whinig about liberals, what a surprise.

Universal Monk Mar 4

Great saying. Before long, people are gonna accuse you of being me. lol

Draconic NEO Mar 4

Wouldn’t be surprising, liberals usually resort to making bad faith accusations when they don’t have anything to counter with.

_‌_反いじめ戦隊 Mar 5

according to fascists, I am a tankie.

Search - Black Panther Party member is tankie - ani.social

Lemmy

insurrection Mar 5

https://mstdn.social/@AntiBullyRanger@ani.social/116164153910826168

Mastodon 🐘

_‌_反いじめ戦隊 Mar 5

Give me the JSON, ’cause it’s only redirecting. Unless you this got the 🧵 in your instance cached.

insurrection Mar 5

damn

it shows the full thread here

_‌_反いじめ戦隊 Mar 5

Open an incognito tab, and show me your steps to get to🧵

insurrection Mar 5

you may just need to sign up for the instance. i tried searching for it in a private tab at mstdn.social and it wouldn't populate

_‌_反いじめ戦隊 Mar 5

figured as such.
did you comment 🧵 to get a link, or is there a mastodon account that did? Usually I can JSON travel that way.

Luminous5481 "Lawless Heathen" [they/them]Mar 5

tankies are fucking shit. but they’re still loads better than the nazi collaborators in the liberal parties of the world

This meme below got removed a few days ago. I think if you post anything controversial that rustles enough jimmies to make people rage-cry report you, they just remove the post rather than deal with angry nerds.

Or they just really hate trains, the jerks!

down with trains!

*This message was written by big unicycle

You are now a moderator of c/lemmyshitpost

AzuranAurora Mar 4

Hear me out. A monorail made solely of unicycles strung together. Win-win!

I mean, that’s why we are against train. With train tracks, we can have 2x density, with bidirectional traffic.

Unicycle or bust

_‌_反いじめ戦隊 Mar 5

This is Why Cycling is Dangerous in America (Vehicular Cycling)

YouTube

njordomir Mar 4

I disagree with your meme, especially during primary season, but I still upvoted because I think everyone should be able to post their “controversial” memes.

lumpenproletariat Mar 5

AHA! I found it. I was looking for this meme for days. Now I can make the edit I wanted to make.

irelephant [he/him]Mar 8

Universal Monk Mar 4

PTB!

Bruh, I criticized the two-party system, and admitted I voted third party (Socialist Party) in the 2024 presidential election. Lemmy is STILL pissed off about it and says I’m a Trumper just because I didn’t for Harris. Just do a search for my name to see what people have to say about me. More and more people are starting to realize a 2-party system sucks, but damn, Lemmy ain’t their yet.

You marked for life now, dawg! Good luck! LMAO

(Oh and fuck you Lemmy, I’m gonna vote third party in the next election too. :) )

bearboiblake Mar 4

Yeah I’ve been fending off those freaks like they’re extras running at me one at a time in a kung-fu movie with bad takes. I’m not even American, I wasn’t eligible to vote in the 2024 election, but because I criticized Joe Biden/Kamala Harris, that must mean I just fuckin LOVE Trump.

Universal Monk Mar 4

Yep, exact same kind of comments I was getting

Luminous5481 "Lawless Heathen" [they/them]Mar 5

“harder genocide”

what a fucking idiot 🤣

calmblue75 Mar 4

I am not able to comprehend people criticizing voting for third party. What is the meaning of vote if you cannot select a candidate of your choice?

Universal Monk Mar 4

Exactly my thoughts! It’s finally becoming more common to think like this on Lemmy now, but holy hell… in 2024 many Lemmy’s legit wanted to crucify people who thought like this. And they still follow me around and regularly ask that I be banned from the entire fediverse! lolol

I’m not going anywhere tho. :)

Unruffled [they/them]Mar 5

I’m not going anywhere tho. :) And I’m so proud of how mad they got, I put their comments and posts in my profile banner:

Based :)

calmblue75 Mar 7

Keep going, friend! ;)