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Rich Puchalsky ⩜⃝Anarchists don't love Rosa Luxemburg. I mean, there may be some that do for whatever reason, but she hated anarchists and wrote about it.
@richpuchalsky regardless of what luxemburg said about anarchists I can confirm through personal experience that a lot of anarchists love her
@richpuchalsky not really, people are often more ideologically heterodox than seems "logical" and that's not even a bad thing
It's not really a matter of being heterodox: she thought anarchists sucked. She wasn't at all unclear about it. I think that many anarchists may just know she was killed by the state and never bothered to read anything she wrote.
@richpuchalsky I think you may be struggling with what "ideologically heterodox" means
If someone calls themself an anarchist, that's presumably a central commitment for them, right? I don't care how heterodox they are: if they don't think of themselves as some kind of anarchist, why call themselves one?
"therewith the historical career of anarchism is well-nigh ended": I guess people could be heterodox masochists or something? I think it's simpler to just think they haven't read her stuff.
@richpuchalsky lots of anarchists are also into nietzsche and that is a far, far bigger ideological gulf than anarchists and rosa luxemburg
@richpuchalsky anarchists who only read other anarchists are usually not worth talking to, just like marxists who only read other marxists are not worth talking to, or psychoanalysts who only read other psychoanalysts are not worth talking to
I have no objection to them reading her: I just doubt that they did. Whatever you think of Nietzsche, he wasn't actually arguing for one left tendency over another and so people can excuse his right-wing stuff as philosophical.
@richpuchalsky his right-wing stuff very much was not just philosophical!
@richpuchalsky like it is to me much easier to get stuff out of a leftist thinker who I might disagree with on one particular point (how revolutionaries should organize) but am in agreement with on all the other ones (is capitalism good, what is the nature of imperialism, etc.) than with a guy who openly opposes most of my values (and I do think you can get things out of *some* right-wing thinkers, nietzsche being at the top of that list, just that there's far more to set aside when you read him!)
@richpuchalsky (also, reading a lot of Classical Anarchists also involves Having to Put Some Issue Aside, whether it's Was WWI Good, or Are Jewish People Ontologically Evil, or What is the Role of Woman, to name a few well-known cases! yet I have still gotten a lot out of reading Bakunin and Kropotkin - Proudhon not so much tbh)
catch@julieofthespirits @richpuchalsky also even stuff like 'is capitalism good' can be broken by completely wrong definitions of 'capitalism' and 'good'. And one of the people who helps clarify those definitions is... Rosa Luxemburg.