@redsad I thought the debate resolved with, "No it doesn't."
@Air_Quotes_Comedian @redsad Some feel so. Others feel that it depends on the foundation. Thomas Paine called it a necessary evil. It's hard to see how we'd manage to work and live in peace without an agreed to structure of some sort and administrative infrastructure to support it. Something to say that when I meet a stranger I can depend on certain things or the rest respond. Go into a strange place and don't get killed just because I'm a stranger and represent a threat.

@redsad only one of these actually has a right to exist and is actually a person or otherwise a living creature.. and for some reason thats the one its considered fine and legitimate to debate the existence of.

anything else is "extremism"

@redsad I'd rather have my country die for me.