NomNomEuropean Gas prices just surged 50% after the Qatari LNG production is under attack
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HumaniusThe European Commission has a website listing the top gas suppliers to Europe
…europa.eu/…/where-does-the-eu-s-gas-come-from/
Our main suppliers currently are:
- Norway - 31.1%
- United States - 25.4%
- Russia - 13.1%
- North Africa - 12.8%
- United Kingdom - 4.3%
- Qatar - 3.8%
While Qatar doesn’t provide a huge proportion of European gas, it’s not insignificant either. A disruption in the supply of Qatari gas could very easily cause prices to go up by a lot.
It’s almost as if we should do everything in our power to rid ourselves of the dependency on fossil fuels
At full capacity (10GW), the island is expected to produce around 1 million tonnes of green hydrogen, corresponding to roughly 7% of Europe’s expected hydrogen demand
10GW = 87.6 TWh / year (even assuming 100% efficiency of the P2G process). That’s 10% of Germanys gas consumption of last year (864TWh). The EU consumes something like 5000TWh per year.
So while this might be a cool project and a much needed one, it’s not nearly enough to replace our gas imports. We should really stop using gas to heat our homes and use the miniscule amount of green gas we can produce for the processes that really require it.
In other news: Our (German) government wants to go back to gas heating and combustion engines, hoping to find some e-fuels in the attic.
It’s not just about where european countries buy, there’s a global market, it’s about who bought gas from Qatar and where they will buy their gas now. AFAIK Qatar exports a lot to asian countries, if they can’t get gas from Qatar anymore they’re going to buy from other countries, for example from the USA. That’s going to raise the price for US fracking gas and will affect Europe.
Exactly. India buys from Qatar. Qatar stops supplying, India starts buying from the US, just like us.
It seems to me that every conflict spikes oil prices, relatively unpredictably (if you can call this unpredictable).
Maybe the world should look for alternative sources of energy, which are abundant, cheap, and can be deployed non centrally?
No. No that’s insane.
I mean sure but if you already own an electric car then a spike in battery price doesn’t particularly affect your day to day like a spike in gas prices would.
Much of Europe uses gas for heating their houses. Much of industry uses vast amounts of gas for heating all sorts of materials from asphalt to bread.
Yeah fair, it’s mostly useless in my state, but very prevalent in other states I just forget it exists. But also swapping a stove, water heater, and AC is still a lot cheaper than a new car. (I mean the AC is the only one that’s even close) are there other things people use gas for I’m forgetting?
Fair, most buying an EV I assumed are new and not used so I was looking at like 30-60k (in America) for car vs like 10-20k for new AC/water heater/stove+new wiring (more expensive than the stove or water heater themselves.) but it’s a lot more comparable when looking at used (still like 10-20k).
Also I realize I’m in hot world where AC=heating and cooling and in not-hot world heating and AC might not be interchangeable but I can’t imagine heating costs much more than an AC unit?
They also are used in ICE catalytic convertors in every vehicle. But, unlike ICE, EV rare earths can be recycled.
You can recycle catalytic converters though, that’s really not the big problem for combustion engines…
not very efficiently. There’s a reason crackheads steal newer ones.
Sodium ion batteries are already in production. They’re not quite at the energy density of lithium but it’s close and also irrelevant for grid storage.
Are they? I haven’t really been able to find any being offered.
Cool! I kinda meant “can I buy the cells”, but if they’re being produced in car scales, it’ll probably be a yes pretty soon.
After a little more digging, yes you can!
These prices are literally controlled by price-fixing cartels.
But Europe is investing hundreds of billions in North Sea wind farms to generate hydrogen for heating, it was initiated by Putin’s actions.
da_cow (she/her)Now we just have to hope that people dont dig up this bullshit idea of using hydrogen to heat your own house.
I always love the stupidity of this idea: You were able to generate pure hydrogen at high costs… Now what should we do with it? Well lets just do what we did since the middle ages and burn it!
Well, there are useful appliances for hydrogen, where you just burn it. Burning it to heat your own home isnt one if them.
Hydrogen has one of the highest energy densities by mass. It’s a very reasonable energy storage
If you’re launching a rocket, sure. If cost or difficulty matters in any way compared to raw mass, not really.
It was talked about for cars where density kinda matters, but you could put them in a fuel cell that way instead of just burning it, and I’m not sure if it was ever anywhere close to economical.
The cost probably will go down, and with any luck the cost of polluting will go up, but electricity is going to be more practical for most things.
Craziest implementation? Burn the hydrogen in your home. But not in a furnace. Burn it in a mechanical combustion-powered heat pump!😁
There’s really nothing wrong with generating hydrogen when power costs are negative.
Except that only happens like 500 hours a year.
And hydrogen will leak from any tank.
And it turns metal brittle.
And I wouldn’t trust my neighbor with a propane tank, let alone hydrogen.
And its nearly impossible to transport through existing infrastructure.
But other than that, its great!
You forgot about the part where the possibility of generating hydrogen cleanly from electricity later is used as an excuse to build infrastructure and fuel-cell cars for it now, even though hydrogen now is dirty hydrogen produced by cracking fossil fuels.
I have no confidence that the second phase of switching to electrolysis would actually happen, and that “hydrogen” isn’t just a greenwashing scam perpetrated by natural gas producers.
What’s that? I couldn’t hear you over the nonstop greenwashing of gas cracking plants.
Wow! so glad we have clean coal now!
BlackmistLike, in place of natural gas?
Because Lemmy. Facts lose to feels.
The pedofile parasite class says no
Yeah, but power sources that don’t spew fumes are for limp-wristed queers. /s
KevinOnEarth@NomNom
It's OK, Trump & his buddies all invested in LNG (& Oil & Military hardware cos) before ordering the war so they'll have made $BILLIONS by having many Iranian people (kids included) + US troops killed on a whim.👍
It's OK, Trump & his buddies all invested in LNG (& Oil & Military hardware cos) before ordering the war so they'll have made $BILLIONS by having many Iranian people (kids included) + US troops killed on a whim.👍
And the German government wants to end the sales ban for gas boilers. 55% of German gas consumption is used to heat buildings. So this is a key part of reducing consumption. Another case of a conservative government hurting Germany badly.
I’m laughing because I went with Habeck’s advice and installed a simple heat exchanger in my house that is hooked up to a centralized community heating system that runs on sustainable heat sources. Because Habeck, imperfect as he may have been, had a realistic view on things that was rooted in scientific data.
Fuck the CDU and fuck the SPD, fucking class-traitor scumbags.
gandalf_der_12teIf only we had some way of generating energy independent of oil and fossil fuels.
Unfortunately, we don’t, because those take a long time to build and we keep putting it off.
And the other option requires batteries that take a long time to make.
‘Nuclear takes too long to build’ has been an argument against nuclear for several times longer than it takes to build even the most stringently safe nuclear power plant… its depressing.
China is building a load of nuclear plants, it’s working very well for them and moving very quickly. They’re also building numerous solar farms and coal plants because they need whatever they can get.
Many places in Africa are doing great on Solar power, but they have requirements orders of magnitude lower than most western countries.
I don’t know much about Cuba.
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