This but new Linux users. They get attracted to the worse newbies distros every time

What’s the best one, apart from Mint?

The typical advice is:

• Mint
• ElementryOS
• Fedora
• Pop!
• Ubuntu (unpopular with Extremely Online people, but is pretty good at the Just Works for normies)

Fedora

really? I haven’t touched regular fedora, how is the “vanilla” version different to derivities and other “vanilla” distros like debian or arch?

Yeah, vanilla Fedora comes in both KDE and Gnome flavors, with good hardware support and a large community. For noobies, a good, familiarish desktop environment and comprehensive hardware support are really the most important things for them not to immediately bounce off.

Yeah, vanilla Fedora comes in both KDE and Gnome flavors, with good hardware support and a large community.

I have never installed Arch, but I guess it doesn’t; but debian does come with various DEs , including KDE and Gnome.

Arch can be great and you can install whatever desktop environment you like, but there are just too many concepts for the average new user. Making a USB install stick is “difficult” enough to make a lot of people give up.

Debian is great, and my personal preference but it tends to be a bit behind on the latest hardware support, particularly for laptops. It’s easy enough to install whatever drivers you need, but again that can be just one thing too many for a new user.