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Martin Bodlák 💙💛@MostlyHarmless at some moment, there was a (rather theoretical) discussion about completely replacing income tax with only VAT… I wonder if it would work IRL
el Celio 🇪🇺 🇺🇦@elCelio I think it is the most just tax: you pay for what you consume, when you consume
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Landa 
Would you care to explain why you think this is the most just?
Why do you think it is better than "I think it is the most just tax: you pay for what you earn, when you earn"?
Both sentences use exactly the same argument.
(For the record, I think that neither is the ideal solution, not least because neither takes into account that the value of an additional Euro is very different depending on your current wealth).
This discussion seems to me to be stalled because everyone uses the words "just" and "fair" while having very different definitions for them.
@Landa it is too easy to evade income tax here in Czechia and I mainly reflect my experience
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Do you mean Unreported employment or tax evasion by rich people?
Because both have different causes and would require different solutions.
Evading sales taxes is also much easier when you're rich, so I don't think that would help making the system more just.
Passwordsarehard4@babaq @Landa @elCelio @MostlyHarmless they won’t pay any tax. If you tax purchases they just won’t buy anything. For real, they’ll just lease everything through an LLC that loses money each year and gets folded and replaced with another so it never has an operating profit.
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the owners of LLC already do that.
in a limited manner, but it is common to use company's property for personal use.
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Yes, they do.
So the proper aim for tax reform would be to reduce the tax burden of poor people and stop the rich from shirking their responsibility.