I read once that optimization is a sign of anxiety and boy howdy do I see this over and over.

If you find yourself always trying to figure out the best way to do things and you spend a lot of time considering different options, especially for things that aren't that high stakes, I highly recommend working on figuring out why you're so scared of a low stakes negative outcome like "took my friend to a mediocre sushi restaurant." Or why is it harder to sit with the uncertainty of a low stakes outcome than to spend hours deciding between basically equivalent events?

It can be really hard to interact with folks who have this pattern - every little thing you do together can turn into extremely long conversations with flow charts of decisions and extreme over-complication and over-explanation.

Most people with this pattern that I interact with don't see it as coming from a place of anxiety, but I've found that understanding to help me be more compassionate and productive.

If you have a friend or a co-worker who's like this, it is actually counterproductive to engage in the optimizing process and doing so reinforces their anxiety.

Be kind, but don't participate. Don't ask open ended questions, but offer just two options, set time limits (we've been talking about this for 5 minutes, that's long enough), and normalize “good enough.” They will try to pull you back in with what-ifs and you can refuse - "it'll be good enough."

If you have to work closely with them, create defaults for recurring things so you’re not renegotiating every time. You might have to have a conversation with them about how the long decision cycles are draining and using time that could be used for more important things.

Remember, you are not helping them or being kind by participating in their anxiety. You're making their anxiety worse and wasting your time.

Most of the previous post was not directed at the anxious optimizers, but if you are an anxious optimizer, a lot of times it’s a trauma response or something like ocd and a mental health professional can help. This expression of anxiety can be really harmful to your social and professional relationships and you may already tend to isolate as a result, but you deserve help. A good therapist or psychiatrist if you have ocd is going to be so kind and curious and not judgemental.

I guess there’s some irony in me complaining at length about the improvement but not optimal choice on clock changes by the BC government today

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Even when Canadian governments do the right thing, they do it as badly as possible. It is infuriating. Today, BC announced that we’re going to stop doing time changes (good) but stay on DST (bad). You don’t have to take my word for it that DST is the wrong choice. Here’s basically every organization that thinks about sleep or circadian rhythms on the topic: American Academy of Sleep Medicine
https://aasm.org/advocacy/position-statements/permanent-standard-time-is-the-optimal-choice-for-health-and-safety/ Sleep Research Society
https://sleepresearchsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/cpst-PERMANENT-STANDARD-TIME-talking-points-2024.pdf Canadian Sleep Society
https://css-scs.ca/society-news/position-statement-of-the-canadian-sleep-society-on-the-practice-of-daylight-saving-time-dst/ British Sleep Society
https://wrap.warwick.ac.uk/id/eprint/187671/1/Journal%20of%20Sleep%20Research%20-%202024%20-%20Crawford%20-%20The%20British%20Sleep%20Society%20position%20statement%20on%20Daylight%20Saving%20Time%20in%20the.pdf National Sleep Foundation
https://www.thensf.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/NSF-Position-on-Permanent-Standard-Time_Final_.pdf Society for Research on Biological Rhythms https://srbr.org/why-we-should-let-the-sun-set-on-daylight-saving-time/ European Sleep Research Society and others https://esrs.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/To_the_EU_Commission_on_DST.pdf

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@sus I have a personal goal to work on my over explanation/over strategizing tendencies and ya it's absolutely from a place of anxiet. I am embarassed how obvious this must have been to others but I'm only just realizing how bad I do it! I guess if you do a thing your whole life it feels normal?

@takeoutweight i definitely get stuck in optimization loops around certain activities, but it’s not usually a problem for me. the over-explanation on the other hand is much more something i struggle with. Like when people say “no is a complete sentence” my head agrees but i feel visceral panic at actually trying it.

I also feel embarrassed to think about other people noticing i do this, but that’s coming from the same place the anxiety is. It’s ok for other people to see we’re anxious! They probably care and wish they could help! We could even tell them about it when we catch ourselves and ask for help!