McNadoMDMar 1

This may shock some folks, but it is OK to simultaneously say that Khomeini had it coming and is a piece of shit who deserved what he got, and to say that a US president shouldn’t be assassinating foreign leaders without authorization from Congress. We can do that. We can have complex discussions. It is possible.

Edit ** as many have pointed out, the guy I was posting about here is Khameini (perils of late night posting). Khomeini died of cardiovascular disease in 1989.

Show threadInsurgo FormicaMar 1
@mcnado well, yes, but what if the Iranian congress agree it's OK to assassinate your leader, is that legit?
Show threadJan AntošMar 1
@InsurgoFormica @mcnado given the fact fact that they have/had Fatwa in Iran issued by now dead demagogue, I am ok that he is out. Trying to kill Hitler was also fairly legitimate. And killing wanna be human who pray for and declare annihilation of another nation/state is from my side morally ok. And given some videos I have seem now from Iran, it doesn’t look like Iranians are crying for his loss. I think it should be them who should judge this act in first place.
Show threadbencourtice
@janantos @InsurgoFormica @mcnado the modern equivalent of assassinating Hitler would, of course, be killing Trump not Khameini.
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Show threadJan AntošMar 1
@bencourtice @InsurgoFormica @mcnado I am in no way defending Trump, but Putin is better equivalent.
Show threadbencourticeMar 1
@janantos @InsurgoFormica @mcnado I'm fine with that definition, but you don't assassinate foreign leaders (or bomb the population) unless you're at war. Unprovoked war/war of aggression is a crime against humanity since about 1945 at least.
Show threadJan AntošMar 1
@bencourtice @InsurgoFormica @mcnado it is hard to say if in case of Iran it was unprovoked given the Irans statements of annihilation of state of Izrael and supporting terorist group around the world and technically supporting Russian invasion of Ukraine. I understand it is hard to explain to citizens of never oppressed nation (except WW2). But I was raised in country where was more than 40 years oppression from communist regime. My family was stripped of farm, declared “enemy of state”, stripped of posibility to study on university, etc. And being under soviet occupation for more than 20 years, now living as expat in country that have been oppressed by Soviet Union since 1940 till USSR collapse and about every seventh citizen have been removed (killed/deported to Gulag). This historical and family/friends experience is giving completely different perspective. No one on you never shouted while being first grade pupil, that you called teacher miss teacher and not comrade teacher. No one called your parent to school to make issue of it. And no one disallowed you to attend hobby lessons because of this and your ancestors. So forgive me, that I have different opinion and feelings.
Show threadbencourticeMar 1
@janantos @InsurgoFormica @mcnado that's all very well but this is not Czechoslovakia 1968, it's not about you, its about US and Israel imperial ambition in the present day. Different countries, different issues. The principles banning wars of aggression can't be forgotten whenever it's convenient. As someone in a small nation near a big aggressive power you should be more aware of that, not less.
Show threadJan AntošMar 1
@bencourtice @InsurgoFormica @mcnado and Estonia same narrative from Russia that Estonia does not deserve existence. Sorry I see parallel. I don’t agree with Israel politics, but Iran declares anihilation of state if Israel, I don’t see Israel narrative to govern Iran. Do you? And btw it is Czechoslovakia since 1948 - 1989 (1991)
Show threadbencourticeMar 1
@janantos @InsurgoFormica @mcnado I think they want to reinstall the shah of Iran to make the country compliant, but I doubt it will work. 1968 was a reference to the Prague Spring uprising crushed by Soviet tanks. They did their own version of installing a shah.
Show threadInsurgo FormicaMar 1
@bencourtice @janantos @mcnado to both of you, it depends where you stand, so in the end, there is justification for everyone killing everyone.