quick poll: if you were to update to a new version of a #java library you'd been using and the new version had a transitive dependency on #kotlin that it hadn't had before, would that bother you and if so, how much?

@evanchooly yes and yes.

Full disclosure, I’m a member of the Apache Groovy team and I would also be bothered if a Java library suddenly added Groovy to provide internal behavior that Java could do. Same would apply to any other JVM language, they are not “just a library”.

@aalmiray that's kinda how I'm leaning, too