@obucate @pluralistic

On a sidenote...
Bought a seven year old Nissan Leaf 40kw just before Xmas

Now Nissan tells me they don't care enough about their existing customers to let the mobile app continue to work for these cars, so we will no longer be able to pre heat the car before driving

So much for trusting a company...
Guess I will never buy a Nissan again

@baardhaveland @obucate @pluralistic I don't know anything about the Leaf and Nissan long-term support. But I can tell you a story about parking meters from a place I worked at briefly.

I worked for a place that made parking meters. They put cellular radios in them to report usage, to download parking fee tables, and even handling real-time credit card transactions.

When they shipped these meters, 2G cell modems were the standard. So thousands of meters were shipped with them. But cell phone standards were changing rapidly - certainly faster than parking meters. When 3G and 4G modems were released, new meters got those. But there are still tens of thousands of meters with 2G in the field.

And then local cell companies started turning off their "obsolete" 2G towers. I'm sure the cell companies saw almost zero traffic through their 2G towers and made a rational decision. Consumers had moved on.

At the parking meter company, we experienced this as a city or two calling support every month complaining that 50 random meters stopped accepting credit card transactions, and the city couldn't update their fee schedule, and that actually, the meters just dropped off the management screen entirely. What do?

After a couple of months, our support reps understood the problem, and tried to explain to the city traffic management person that their meters required a factory upgrade and that we'd be happy to give them a discount on costs. The poor city traffic manager from Scranton, or Spokane, or Sheboygan was *not *happy. Not a lot of cities paid for the upgrades - I figure those customers were done with our company and decided to buy new meters elsewhere.

I'm not saying Nissan Leafs have obsolete networking gear. But I'm saying that your unhappiness with Nissan reminds me a lot of those customers and their unhappiness with IPS Group parking meters.