not_IOthe influence is immense
Tempus FugitThank fuck I literally use none of those services.
๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐๐๐ ๐ต๐ธI wish WhatsApp wasnโt the main form of communication in my area of the world.
Thatโs the only one Iโm on and itโs because I could not convince anyone around me to just use texts or download signal
Yes you should break yourself from all of the US and Israeli tech stack. They cannot be trusted.
Itโs hard to get away from the hardware companies through. Iโm all AMD because theyโre a little less evil, but theyโre in the same AI bubble and also currently doing little in terms of innovation since they already have the performance advantage
Default UsernameYou should break yourself from any tech stack that isnโt open source and either decentralized or federated if itโs an online service, regardless of country of origin.
I donโt read news in WhatsApp, tho
Neither do I, I only use it for sending and recieving messages. I donโt think anyone uses the AI bullshit that was added to it.
No actually we all seem to loath that. Like anyone who has to use WhatsApp (like me) finds it annoying.
You can tag it in a duscussion, for example, but other than that the productivity use is limited
It was so much better when the search bar was just for contacts or chat messages instead of all the genuinely useless terms
Theyโre trying to compete with telegram and X on some level, but it was always just meant to be a messaging app.
Telegram works fine but itโs full of questionable users and channels.
The dumb thing is that Meta owns Instagram and WhatsApp, so if every one of their apps have these features whatโs the point of downloading more than one of them?
wonderingwandererBecause they were originally successful companies that werenโt owned by meta, and meta couldnโt have them so they bought them.
Why this doesnโt violate anti-trust laws is anybodyโs guessโฆ
Yeah I think meant the effort that was put in to add features to one of their apps when they were already present in the others
Somebody needs to jailbreak WhatsApp interoperability. Especially now that their โencryptionโ has been demonstrated to be a farce.
I didnโt try it but this claims to have done it: www.beeper.com
Lol. Lmao even. You think shaping your habits will protect you. You canโt personal responsibility your way out of this.
It has little to do with protection and more to do with keeping a clean conscience. I wonโt support evil.
I mean, congrats? Kind of irrelevant to the discussion here, then.
โOligarchy becomes smaller and more powerfulโ - article
โGood thing they donโt get my money via direct meansโ - you
Lol, short of going out and killing these bastards there isnโt much else I can do other than to stop supporting these services. I have to hope if enough folks like me stop using these services they will fail. There is a point where it only takes one straw to break the camels back.
Thatโs basin your imagination that weโre a meritocracy. Thereโs meaning behind the saying โfailing upwardsโ. I donโt know how to counteract it either, but their success comes from failure. Let alone the Island stuff.
What are you even talking about? I didnโt say shit about meritocracy or failing upwards. Iโm talking about not supporting those services and platforms that support evil.
Right, and Iโm trying to explain to you that itโs not what they base their success on. I know you mean well, but weโre not a meritocracy and they do fail upwards.
No their capitalists. They base their success off of money. No users or even less users, means less money.
Look at all the bad news coming out about Tesla and Musk all together, and his wealth increased from like 300bil to 700bil :/
His bubble will pop eventually too. He canโt stay inflated forever. Heโs completely propped up by lies and schemes.
Wish I shared your optimism. Guy is a moron propped up by the US government whoโs on the Epstein Files and begged to party on the island on Xmasโฆwhich means heโs about to become a trillionaireโฆwell at least this was a good way to find out that my android autocorrect doesnโt even have that word in the vocabulary.
The issue here isnโt your about your conscious. The majority of people do use these and those people are being influenced.
Your comment has a sort of fuck you I got mine vibe to it.
No itโs not, lol. If people stop using these platforms they will fail. Sounds to me like youโre just justifying your continued support of these services and platforms. Defeatist loser mentality.
You just assumed I use those platforms which makes you the fool here.
You not supporting evil doesnโt stop evil. To try for another approach here since you seem rather dense, evil prevails when good men do nothing.
Iโm sure youโll just attack that too becuase whatโs important here to you is your feelings. Doing something was never going to be an option for you
And what are you doing?
Thank you for asking so nicely and with such curtesy and humility after graciously answer my questions.
I actively encourage and warn others to not use these platforms. I also pirate all their shit and share it with those around me who struggle to shake their addiction to the content.
Cool, so the same shit Iโm doing. No need to be smug about it.
Not the one being smug. Thatโs you. I am not the one virtue signally. Literally what I pointed out you were doing. Iโm not going to tell you to stop or not do it, because you do you. My thing is mocking it anytime I see it. In case itโs not clear, Iโm not claoming this makes me the better person.
explodicleIf you canโt solve the problem 100%, why even bother.
I donโt think thatโs the criticism, rather we fixing the problem at the wrong end of things. We canโt fix society by stressing personal responsibility, we need a different tactic.
If the tactic doesnโt benefit the person doing it at all, then they wonโt do it.
LillyPipToo bad 99.9% of the rest of the people do.
**This is the problem. ** Good job lemmings, pat on the back for separating yourself from all this bullshit. Too bad the thousands of us donโt have super mega voting powerโฆ
Really is a shame
But everyone else does and they will be voting in the next election dragging you down with them.
I canโt control other people, only myself. If they want to sleepwalk into lies and fake propaganda there is nothing I can do.
Your point?
The control of media and of communication by the wealthy is mainly a threat to society.
Itโs not like eating junk food where youโre only harming yourself.
Weโre all threatened by people being ignorant and propagandized.
Now, what you can do, there are many things. Talk to your neighbors, involve yourself in your community, get people to come on the Fediverse, demonstrate, etc.
I do all of that already. If my friends and family take my advice it is their choice. I cannot nor would I want to force them into it. You can save people from themselves, especially if theyโre unwilling. You can only save yourself.
thethunderwolfThe only one mentioned here that i have is WhatsApp, but i barely use it
Although i do still use some other nonfree Amerikkkan services. Discord is the main one, iโm quite active on there and itโs not that easy to replace because of its structure with communities (also there arenโt good alternatives yet, quite hopeful for Fluxer tho). I also use an iPhone and Apple Messages, and i have a Macbook (which I donโt use much at the moment) but Iโm gonna install Linux on it. I donโt make use of iCloud tho, i use Proton Drive and selfhosted email.
Iโm not trying to rib you here, but I hate that excuse that itโs too hard to drop these products. Weโve lived thousands of years without them, but lack the will now? WTF kinda weak ass shit is that?
I am not saying that itโs hard to drop
Iโm saying that because of Discordโs structure itโs hard to move Discord communities to other platforms because you need to move a community of many people rather than just an account on which you post and view posts like when moving from Twitter to Mastodon or Reddit to Lemmy
Itโs not hard at all. You either move or you donโt. Itโs a binary. If you canโt be bothered to do a little bit of legwork then just stay where you are and give the corps what they want. If that fragments your community so be it, build another one. All I hear are excuses as to why folks canโt stand by their morals because itโs inconvenient. IMO itโs pathetic, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.
ur still affected by how these influence the news cycle and general societal conversation
Ok, and? Why is everyone up my ass because Iโm happy I donโt support these elites? Sure the rest of the sheep are grazing in the pasture. How is that my problem? Itโs not like I donโt talk to those in my circle. I can lead a sheep to water but I canโt make them drink.
Yeah thatโs the problem. I donโt use them, but a bunch of other people do. How do we get them to stop?
Right? Itโs getting hard to talk to people nowadays because everyone seems brainwashed.
But you canโt get them out of it. Asking people to not check those feeds is like asking them to go without water.
Itโs embarrassing how dependant folks have become with technology and social media. Iโm not immune myself, but Iโll drop anything that goes against my values.