Delta ChatOur strong focus on end to end encryption and zero metadata does mean that one of the original project notions of "you can use delta chat as a lightweight cleartext email client and your contacts don't need to care" was deprioritized since some time now and remains available rather for specialists only. It used to be encrypted mail that was hard to do and only for experts. Delta kind of reversed this. Now it's hard to do cleartext. But you can self host your mailbox addresses. No changes there!
User@delta It is a pity that Delta Chat has very limited file transfer capabilities for files with the largest memory.
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Шуро@delta well, it gets increasingly pointless/annoying to "self host your mailbox addresses" :)
There were two main points to do that:
- custom, easy to use and recognizable identity so you could say: "hey, message me at [email protected]".
- being able to reuse the same identity for both mail, DC and maybe other services like XMPP.
There are plenty of messengers with QR-codes and long weird links but these things scare people. They are not very human.
@shuro sure, email addresses as human recognizable handles are nice! We do have discussions to re-introduce email addresses for this use (tell someone your contact address and that's it, no QRs, weird links etc.) but it will be about establishing end-to-end encryption. It's not a current prio but it's definitely something that we can think about and do. FWIW https://securejoin.delta.chat already implements automatic secure hand-shaking for establishing E2EE.
🦆 √ 🐄 @delta How can I find a proxy address for Delta Chat? And can Delta Chat work through the Tor network?
@qyahxm Delta Chat does not have any special proxies, it supports SOCKS5, HTTP(S) proxies and Shadowsocks. Tor works.
@delta I use the InviZible Pro app by default. It has VPN, Tor, and I2P. Does that mean Delta Chat works through Tor by default?
@qyahxm If you have enabled VPN system-wide, as shown e.g. with a key icon in the status bar on Android, then there is nothing else you need to do to make Delta Chat use it.
@delta Thank you. Is there a server for Delta Chat where you can send files that are 50 or 100 MB in size?
@qyahxm For chatmail relays default message size limit is 30 MiB. We don't know if anyone changes it, but even if you change it your recipients need to be able to accept it as well and have inbox large enough to accept such files.
Wandering Thinker (Sharkey)- custom, easy to use and recognizable identity so you could say: "hey, message me at [email protected]"+100500.
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uhuru@delta so you're abandoning the largest decentralized network (email) to try and become some "messenger" alternative? Why?
for ~2 decades people tried to explain pgp to the masses (without luck), then delta.chat gave the solution to that problem, but now "fuck it, lets just compete signal or whatsapp or some other shitty app."...
Disappointed tbh. But anyway, good luck with it.
@uhuru we are not abandoning email but de-prioritizing cleartext email. IETF-standardized protocols remain in use across the board, including modern OpenPGP based standards. We are "encryption first" and use the email system for encrypted decentralized communications. Many different server implementations and operations work just fine.
Lutin Discret@delta I get all your moves. Crypto identity, using servers as dumbest possible routers as possible.
But I regret the idea of moving from using gmail servers as a pure parasite, easy set up, use your current login/pass to having to buy a DNS, having to buy a VPS and install a server. It's a very very high friction.
Maybe using an overlay network like yggdrasil (or tor) would ease that, no DNS to set up, only a server to boot.
@lutindiscret luckily, an estimated 99.9% of users don't need to buy DNS or a VPS to use delta chat -- and probably around 98% don't even know what these TLAs mean :)
Séverin Lemaignan@delta I share the feeling about deltachat loosing its 'unique value proposition' (the transparent 'merging' of emails and chat). The technical argument 'we are still 100% using the email infrastructure' is true, but also kind of moot if I can not anymore (easily) use my email address as handle. Combined with the by-design lack of central contact discovery, how am I supposed to know if my contacts are on deltachat? 'In-person'-only discovery is not great UX imho