Salamence

"we can change the Democratic Party from the inside"

https://mander.xyz/post/48080811

Feb 26 at 9:59pmWeb
Show threadjohncandy1812Feb 26

US democracy is dead. None of the elected democrats are calling it for what it is because if they say the system is broken they will lose their authority instantly.

They are pretending things are still functional so they can hang onto their power as long as possible.

Show threadLost_My_MindFeb 26

Well, I have no power, so I’ll call it.

February 26th, time of death…5:37pm.

…oh? Is that not what you meant? Eh, I stand by it.

Show threadjohncandy1812Feb 26
I’ll make a donation in its memory.
Show threadLemmyoutofhereFeb 26
Tots and pears.
Show threadCannonFodderFeb 27
Thots and beers.
Show threadDadiferFeb 26
The problem is the MAGAts did it to the Republican party, so now we think we can do it to Democrats.
Show threadSgt_choke_n_strokeFeb 26
This kinda doomer speak is like a psyop to demoralize people from voting. Republicans didn’t get fascist overnight
Show threadAll Ice In ChainsFeb 26
No, they got fascist by doing evil shit unopposed.
Show threadClentFeb 27
Hanging from the wall in chains isn’t opposition.
Show threadbainesFeb 26

Republicans didn’t get fascist overnight

you’re right, it was 85 years long

Show threadceoofanarchismFeb 26
Its not “doomer” to point out you can’t “reform” a system meant to benefit elites and you need to build a different system entirely.
Show threadSerinusFeb 27
Maybe one that benefits China and Russia more, amirite?
Show threadClentFeb 27
It quite literally is. They’ve convinced you they are too powerful. You’ve already lost.
Show threadBanMeFeb 27

And not a single person in this thread has a suggestion on how to move forward, just complaints that the system is irretrievably broken. Well shit, let’s all crawl into a hole and die.

Criticism is only useful when paired with suggestions on how to fix. Otherwise it’s griping at best.

Show threadClentFeb 27

Yep. Us fighting amongst ourselves is only to their benefit.

It’s a game I avoid playing so whole I may mock those who try but endeavor to never engage with anyone that does it. Best I can hope for is to get someone to self evaluate.

Show threadceoofanarchismFeb 28
The system is built and functions literally to protect and enforce the status quo and the private property; revolution and societal reconstruction is necessary if you want to build something with a different purpose.
Show thread_‌_反いじめ戦隊Feb 27
Wait, do folks earnestly believe you can vote fascism away‽
What ahistorical fantasy do you believe‽
Show threadSgt_choke_n_strokeFeb 27

What do you want to do? Riot? Storm the capital?

You dont want to vote fine. Pick up a gun and start taking care of ice cops like a marvel character. Good luck

Show thread_‌_反いじめ戦隊Feb 27
What Spain, Italy, And now South Korea, Nepal, Thailand, Myanmar did: They’ve had enough, and let nobody else die for their loved ones: something that it seems Americans believe is fiction now. Operation Paperclip really brainwashed you, huh.
Spain: from fascism to democracy

It was worker-led class struggle that brought the end of the fascist regime in Spain, but its legacy remains embedded in the state which replaced it, argues Chris Bambery Following the victory of fascism in the Spanish Civil War, Generalissimo Francesco Franco followed a policy of autarky, or self-sufficiency, isolating Spain as much as he could from the international market.

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Show threadSgt_choke_n_strokeFeb 27
Pick up your gun and go stop shit posting on this platform I’m not stopping you
Show thread_‌_反いじめ戦隊Feb 27

We call this type of reply “Compliance.”

But you never believed in freedom.

Show threadSgt_choke_n_strokeFeb 27

Yea I’m getting a lecture for a purity test from a guy with an anime profile pic.

I guess leftist infighting is a real thing

Show thread_‌_反いじめ戦隊Feb 27

You’re the one ad hominem acts of coalition.

Is there really a reason you’re allergic to demolition deathcamps?

Show threadBlue_MorphoFeb 27

America has done really bad things. Bringing up Paperclip is weird. A bunch of nazi scientists were moved out of Germany. And?

Von Braun used slave labor. He should have stood trial. That’s brainwashing?

Show thread_‌_反いじめ戦隊Feb 27

And got into schools, indoctrinated children, taught them to be powerless at the face of fascist rise in 🇺🇲. We are seeing today the fruits of those Nazi seeds planted being harvested. You either enjoy the Nazi cake being served to you by your führer, or you actually liberate comrades right now being killed in deathcamps.

There’s no trial coming for the participants of fascist violations. There never has been.

Nuremberg trials - Wikipedia

Show threadBlue_MorphoFeb 27
1600 scientists out of 139 Million Americans is what made America fascist? Come on. America had 10,000 members of the American Nazi party before WW2. Not to mention that not all of those scientists were die hard Nazis just like all American scientists aren’t MAGA.
Show thread_‌_反いじめ戦隊Feb 28
So Nazis praxis doesn’t exist in the 🇺🇲?
Show threadBlue_MorphoFeb 28
It does. What is absurd is your use of Operation Paperclip as the example of American evil and the source of modern American nazism.
Show thread_‌_反いじめ戦隊Feb 28

It does

So are you arguing America was Nazi even before the immigrations+integrations of Nazis, and that it was a bonus, or that there was nothing wrong American Nazism and integration of Nazis?

Show threadBlue_MorphoFeb 28

I’m saying America had Nazis before Operation Paperclip and Paperclip had no effect on American Nazis.

All American scientists aren’t Maga. All German scientists weren’t die hard Nazis. And even if they were it was so small as to be statically meaningless.

Show thread_‌_反いじめ戦隊Feb 28

But they are no longer “statistically meaningless”: they are the major party enforcing their policies on the masses. They are the Marines, DHS, ICE, the FBI, MAGA, the Supreme Court Justices, Senate/GOP, and the donors to Trump.

We, leftists, are saying the fascist government cannot be fixed from the inside. It’s ahistorical, it has never worked by elections, it never will.

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Show threadBlue_MorphoFeb 28

But they are no longer “statistically meaningless

Your premise is that German scientists from Operation Paperclip are the reason we have fascism today. Given that there was already an American Nazi party before Operation Paperclip and the number of German scientists brought from Germany was insignificant, that premise is false.

are saying the fascist government cannot be fixed from the inside

That’s a completely separate argument that has nothing to do with your claim that Operation Paperclip is why the US is fascist today.

Show thread_‌_反いじめ戦隊Feb 28
So when do you believe Nazism was not praxied in 🇺🇲?
Show threadBlue_MorphoMar 1

Nazism in the US predated WW2. The origins of what would be called Nazism (fascism and racial purity) existed at the founding of America. What is the small font UM?

Your claim that Operation Paperclip was the source of American Nazism is patently false.

Show threadaev_softwareFeb 26
oh yes, by all means, own us libs by voting more nazi. Surely that will change our minds.
Show threaditsaphoqueFeb 27
You know, getting better sharpening stones ensures a less painful death. It's a victory in itself, when you think about it
Show threadHikermickFeb 27
Repeat after me SIX MORE YEARS! SIX MORE YEARS!
Show threadkreskinFeb 27
A lot of people figure they would rather be the torturer than the people chained to the wall. And thats as far as their thinking on the matter goes.
Show threadPajonkFeb 27

Two party state is the same as one party authoritarian state but with extra steps.

Sorry, but if you have to choose which very rich guy is going to control your life, it’s not a democracy.

Us dual party system is very close to Chinese system, and far from democracy.

Show threadburbleFeb 27
At least they get trains with their authoritarianism
Show threadPajonkFeb 27

I know other authoritarian regime known for trains. It was called third Reich…

Maybe there is no freedom, constant invigilation, laogai, using people as resources and selling them to multinational corporations so they can work their ass off manufacturing cheap goods for western corporations, but at least there are more trains. Absurdism maxing

Show threadJasonDJFeb 28
I was really hoping Hitler 4 Prez meant a potential investment in rail, as the silver-lining. But nah, can’t even get that.
Show threadFormfillerFeb 27
Show threadboemanFeb 27
Why does Larry Fine have Moe Howard hanging from a wall?
Show threadDigitFeb 28

was always their boy?

even when was “a rebel”; “an outsider”?

Show threadEmma_Gold_ManFeb 28
Sure, once I was young snd pulsive, I wore every conceivable pin. Even went to socialist meetings. Learned all the old union hymns. But I’ve grown older and wiser, And that’s why I’m turning you in! So loveme, love me, love me, I’m a libral.
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Show threadSomeone8765210932Feb 28
Eh, I’m sure creating a third party in the US isn’t going to be any easier.