Come mid-terms I’m going to proudly vote democrat everywhere I can so hopefully we can get some control of the country again.

Bingo.

I’ll think about Palestine after my country stops being run by actual fascists and Americans stop being executed in the street and our Constitutional rights stop being violated on a daily basis.

And, coincidentally, by voting Democrat, I am doing the most beneficial thing I can for Palestine because THERE ARE NO VIABLE THIRD PARTIES IN THE UNITED STATES.

What state was going to flip to Harris if ALL of those green party voters flipped Democrat? You can’t name one, because there isn’t one.

Reactionary centrists got Trump elected. Period.

You can’t argue against my first point. We literally have the numbers. This isn’t speculative. We measured this.

• Stein (G): 862,049 votes,

• Kennedy (I): 756,393

• Oliver (L): 650,126

• De La Cruz (): 166,175

• West (I): 82,664

In no state election would the greens have even come close to moving the results of that race. And if you argue that the green votes actually belong to the Democrats, you’d have to concede that both Kennedy’s and Oliver’s would belong to the Republicans. In which case Trumps victory would have been even more secure.

In the most charitable interpretation, third party votes in 2024 helped Democrats and hurt Trump. If we make some demographic assumptions and treat it like an instant run-off, reassigning third party votes would put Trump even further into the lead. And I don’t think we should make those assumptions, but I’m at least entertaining them.

How does your point in any way refute that voting for Democrats is the most beneficial thing for Palestine? Unless you’re trying to say that by voting for a third party you actually helped democrats win more than you would have by voting for them?? Your point was a non sequitur which is what the person you’re replying to was trying to point out.

you can’t just look at Green party voters

So I responded by broadening the scope and looking at all third party voters. Its a classic trope for apologist Dems to blame third party, and the point is that third party voters were utterly meaningless, and if anything, actually helped Dems in 2024.

Unless you’re trying to say that by voting for a third party you actually helped Democrats win more than you would have by voting for them??

We are not, at all, nor ever have we been, nor ever will we be, talking about what any of us as individuals do. Neither your vote or my vote decided an election. The 6 million votes that Harris left on the table lost the election. You are arguing against a strawman of your own creation, and what you think my personal choice would have been is utterly fucking irrelevant.

What we are discussing is how elections and electorates respond to candidates and the strategies those candidates use. The point is that its now conclusive there was one functional path to Harris winning the election: She needed to oppose the genocide in Gaza. There was no other way for her to win.

Nope. They were talking about an individual vote, their own. Again, you’re changing the subject.

by voting Democrat, I am doing the most beneficial thing I can for Palestine