ValnaoFeb 25

AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations

https://sh.itjust.works/post/55893471

AIs can’t stop recommending nuclear strikes in war game simulations - sh.itjust.works

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Show threadBlameTheAntifaFeb 25
The atrocities at Hiroshima and Nagasaki have been hand-waved extensively in writing — the same writing that AI is trained on. So naturally, AI will recommend the atrocity that has been justified by “instantly winning the war” and “saving millions of lives.”
Show threadtechnocritFeb 25

hand-waved

I think you mean white-washed, misrepresented, and celebrated.

Show threadKingGimpicusFeb 25

Ayo do me a favor and chart the long term health effects of being vaporized by a nuclear bomb at hiroshima vs years of agent orange/abandoned minefields/ abandoned chemical and munitions storage somewhere like Vietnam circa 1970.

Please show how the nukes are worse.

Show threadGrailFeb 26
The Japanese government was already willing to surrender.
Show threadKingGimpicus
It was willing to accept a conditional surrender, which was not an offer on the table. The options were unconditional surrender or invasion and pacification. The projected cost in lives of that operation was in the millions. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined didn’t even kill 1/10th of those projections.
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Show threadGrailFeb 27
Their only condition was that they wanted to keep the Emperor. It was ridiculous of the Allies to demand a wholly conditional surrender. All those people got blown up just to win the argument about that one point. They could have ran a conventional air bombing campaign against tactical targets, but they decided to drop nukes on a “tactical” target in the middle of a huge city! And then they did it again! That’s not tactical, that’s strategic. If you’re going to use nukes, at least use them on a military base far away from cities.
Show threadNihilsineNefasFeb 27

They could have ran a conventional air bombing campaign against tactical targets, but they decided to drop nukes on a “tactical” target in the middle of a huge city!>

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but they did that AS WELL.

Operation Meetinghouse was the US firebombing of Tokyo on 9th-10th of March 1945 which destroyed a 16 square mile area, killing over 100,000 civilians and making millions homeless

There’s also the B-29 raids america launched from the Marianas that lasted from 17 November 1944 until 15 August 1945

Show threadGrailFeb 28
Civilian homes are not tactical targets.
Show threadNihilsineNefasFeb 28
Could not agree more, hence why it’s a war crime, yknow?
Show threadlortyFeb 27
What made the Japanese surrender was the Soviet Union declaring war. They held out hope until the very end that the soviets would mediate a peace, even after the nukes.