anjuneI’m sorry I’ll be asking a hoary old question that I’ll probably have to disclaimer with “I’m serious! I really mean it!”… but why do people hate #StarTrek V so much? I think it’s my favourite. Though them reaching the centre of the galaxy in fifty minutes was a bit iffy.
Ellie‽ (Radio Edit)@anjune yeah, it's certainly flawed but it still has a lot of enjoyable moments. I can think of a handful of other Star Trek movies I like less. I wonder how it would've turned out if it had a bigger budget.
@ellieraejaye I might be a little biased because it was my introduction to Star Trek, although I went in knowing the basics (I mean, I was 15 or 16; enough time for cultural osmosis).
The theme of freedom (from pain) through surrender is interesting to me.
The idea of all those disparate cultures sharing a common belief is intriguing too. (Did the god-fake wire that recognition into us the way the Vorlons of Babylon 5 did, or just ride on a nebulous faith and longing that tends to develop on its own?)
That they then find another god-impersonator (apparently imprisoned behind that sorry excuse for a barrier) is… very Star Trek.
The interplay between K|S|McC works for me too. I like how stoic, reserved, and cryptic Spock used to be.
And the relative lack of fisticufffs and supervillains is refreshing.
Much more could have been done to actually *explore* those discoveries, but maybe they’d just have screwed that up like they did with the common genetic origin that was never mentioned again until Discovery decided to randomly fuck around with it.
@anjune "I liked him better before he died!"
Yep, the Kirk/Spock/McCoy stuff is all fantastic. Lawrence Luckinbill was brilliant as Sybok, very charismatic I thought and I like how he's not just an evil bad guy. (I can only wonder how it would've gone if they got the original target of Sean Connery).
I think it might've been one of my earlier exposures to Star Trek too. The first thing I saw was Star Trek II, pretty much because it was the first movie that came on TV after we got a VHS recorder (not a bad start!) but I think V might've been one I recorded off the telly early on too.
I never considered whether 'God' was a being like the Vorlons, interesting thought!
So yeah, it doesn't do everything well, but there is quite a bit that is done well. Given the choice to either watch V or any of the TNG movies, I'd probably go with V to be honest.
@ellieraejaye For me the TNG movies were mostly for hanging out with the TNG crew again! But they’re not thaaaat good.
@anjune I always thought highly of First Contact but I've cooled on that a lot over the years.
@ellieraejaye It was certainly the most intense of the TNG movies but I’m not a fan of how the Borg being of one mind made way to them being centrally remote-controlled drones in that movie (Voyager did more with that and I can see why you’d need a “Queen” to coordinate these wildly disparate brutalised masses of unwilling assimilation victims)
@anjune yeah, it's mostly the Borg stuff I've gone off, mostly with them introducing the Queen. Also, them having the twin tendrils popping out to assimilate people felt a bit too vampiric! (I don't remember that being in earlier appearances). Also, the action hero Picard... nah.
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@anjune i could enjoy that movie if they didn't break the Enterprise
That's the one unforgivable aspect for me
Feral Fury 🏴☠️ 🏳️🌈 🫂🔞@anjune I don't hate it. But I would put most of the others above it. Like Insurrection with the TNG movies. Its not terrible but the others are better.
Origamislayer@anjune seeing it when it came out after seeing 1-4 in the theater it was underwhelming. Following 2-4 was always going to be difficult. I rewatched it recently and I think it deserves the “two parter tv episode” more than Insurrection (though I’ve always liked Insurrection so 🤷🏻♂️)