How many people know that #WordPress was co-founded by a black man, Mike Little?

Or that he's from the north of England? A self-taught coder from #Stockport, just south of #Manchester? Or that he never received so much as a share, cent or job offer from the $7bn+ valued Automattic after spending five months working exclusively with Matt Mullenweg on the B2 fork?

After @bevangelist told me about @mikelittle I interviewed him for a documentary I never got round to making. Back then I was left with two certainties: he's Wozniak to Mullenweg's Jobs. Among other things he added the one-click upgrade that's been central to WP's bonkers 45%-of-the-web-success. And he's one of the nicest people I've ever interviewed, which is also bonkers given that he not only didn't share in WP's financial success, but that he's barely known.

But he should be - so, better late than never - please meet #MikeLittle, perhaps the most-influential-least-known person in #fosshttps://25.netribution.co.uk/nic/mike-little-the-british-co-founder-of-wordpress-youve-probably-never-heard-of/

@nicol @bevangelist @mikelittle

Skin color doesn't matter. And gender too. Just do the right things and be a good person.

if skin color didn't matter, he would be a multimillionaire.

don't parrot the ignorant moderate white man bullshit.

in a racist societ, the color of our skin matters. to deny this is to side with racists.

instead of negating the racism, the correct thing to do would be to ensure his name is not only forever said BEFORE Muhlenberg’s, but make it your business he gets paid reparations for these sins of omission BY ALL MEANS NECESSARY.

@izby @nicol @bevangelist @mikelittle

@blogdiva @izby @nicol @bevangelist @mikelittle not everybody lives in the USA.
@Stefan_S_from_H @blogdiva @izby @nicol @bevangelist @mikelittle I’m not sure how to interpret this other than that you think racism is present only in the USA. Surely that’s not the case, though…
@ccarlson71 @blogdiva @izby @nicol @bevangelist @mikelittle or interpret it as writing something like https://mastodon.social/@izby/116132724713095405 makes people angry in the USA.
@Stefan_S_from_H Writing ignorant stuff like that makes me angry in Germany. @ccarlson71 @blogdiva @izby
@Stefan_S_from_H The goal of what? Of mentioning the fact that he is black? Maybe to highlight when someone is not from the traditionally privileged background?
What's the goal of whining about it? Why do the racists' work if not a racist? If you are not interested, you are always free to ignore. @ccarlson71 @blogdiva @izby

@izby
@HeptaSean @ccarlson71 @blogdiva
@izby obviously "do the right things and be a good person" is a great principle to live by. But *many* people do that yet still suffer prejudice because of race, gender, sexuality, religion, ethnicity, etc…

The reason I flagged that Mike is black, as well as that he's British, from the north of England, didn't go to university – is because these are things we don't hear about much in tech founders (even if they drop out of Uni, they still go). And maybe they played a part in why no-one's heard about him and he didn't even get a job interview at Automattic.

There is a scandal here. But (maybe bigger) there's also a chance to point out not all tech pioneers are white Americans. I don't know why that seems triggering for you @Stefan_S_from_H?

Trying to counter mainstream narratives isn't to attack white guys, as some racist agitators would try to have you believe (one is trying to get elected today v near where Mike lives). But it needs doing.

@nicol @izby @HeptaSean @ccarlson71 @blogdiva don't insinuate what's triggering me.

What's triggering me is that people who say, “Skin color doesn't matter. And gender too.” get attacked and met with hate.

If someone doesn't see a skin color as a negative, this person is on your side. And pushing people away isn't helpful.

@Stefan_S_from_H @izby @HeptaSean @ccarlson71 @blogdiva

suggested correction:

"What's triggering me is that *WHITE MEN* who say, “Skin color doesn't matter. And gender too.” get attacked and met with hate."

Can you imagine a Brit at the height of the British Empire going around India saying 'nationality doesn't matter'?

Still, I'm not attacking you and have no hate for you. You started this by making a post here - https://mastodon.social/@Stefan_S_from_H/116133261766805256 - a statement which makes no sense other than you objected to me mentioning Mike is black (among other things about him, like where he lives and what his education status is). Maybe you didn't object to me saying that, and just randomly tell strangers what you know and don't know, in which case, sorry to have misinterpreted you.

@nicol

Hey, I am a Slav, Slavs are not white. Slavery in my country was abolished 3 years earlier than in the USA, and all slaves here were "white".

Are you sure I have any problems with people who have other skin color? Because I think you do. Right now sit here and try to guess who's white, who's black in this discussion. And that influences what you're going to say to us.

@izby My grandad was Jewish - escaped the Holocaust in Poland to the UK. Looking at his photos he possibly had some Slav there too. But I look white, I'm ok to be called white – tho my family experience of persecution based on ethnicity is different to your average white Brit. But I've never had to experience racism based on my appearance, which is why I'm fine with that.

That's just me: I wouldn't tell you how to express your own ethnicity and I'm sorry if you think I am saying you're racist.

How could I know that?

I was answering your statement, and the problem is it's very similar to the 'all lives matter' meme (https://theconversation.com/why-is-it-so-offensive-to-say-all-lives-matter-153188). That's offensive not because it's wrong that every life matters –no-one would dispute that– but because it's trying to hide the original message that was shared (that black people shouldn't be shot by the police). You –a developer– weren't commenting about this story about WordPress's forgotten coder co-founder, but starting a new, unclear point.

Why is it so offensive to say ‘all lives matter’?

Michael McCormack used a phrase that reveals prejudice during his stint as acting Prime Minister.

The Conversation

@nicol

So, what do we have? The white guy forgot to check his privileges and praised the black guy for such high (for a black guy) achievements and thinks that this is OK. That's not OK.

By focusing on skin color you devalue all his achievements.

@izby but I didn't focus on his skin colour Sam - you did.

I listed a few things about him: his nationality, the region he's from, the city he's from, his higher education status, his race. You had a problem with *one* of those things. Why?

You didn't mention any of his achievements - you started a conversation about skin colour and gender on a post that wasn't about gender and skin colour. You're still doing it.

Maybe you never read the post and the interview it linked. Maybe you're a bot! The story in the post is that the co-founder of WordPress isn't known. He's not rich. And somehow he didn't end up like Walter White full of vengeance - tho he'd have every right to be. That's the post, and because I used the word 'black' in it - which is notable given how few black tech Unicorn founders there are - you commented with a random and not really relevent statement about race and gender.

@nicol

I don't even know him, but you literally started your story with this: that guy is black, and you don’t even know it!

Dude, next time you want to talk about someone who did something great, just add "for black" to the end of the text: "That was really cool... for black". Sounds offensive, right?

I don't care about your skin color, your gender, your income, your education, the neighborhood you live in, or your CS rank. But I do care that you care.

@izby if you don't like the framing of my post (whose goal was to get more people aware of a remarkable man largely erased by history) – but genuinely care about the subject, then just share the original WordPress post I was pointing to, as it has a different lede: https://25.netribution.co.uk/nic/mike-little-the-british-co-founder-of-wordpress-youve-probably-never-heard-of/