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๐ฆ๐บ๐๐ฆ๐๐ฅ๐๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐Why do so many alleged feminists and leftist support this religion?
hendrikTheir profit the person they believe to be the holiest man according to their religion married a 6year old and fucked her when she was 9. Anyone who supports Islam supports a person who is a child rapist.
If Jeffry Epstein had a religion where he explicitly endorsed fucking 6year olds and marrying 9 year olds would you tolerate anyone who followed that religion?
Yeah. Thatโs one of the many reasons we sane people donโt support religion. I donโt get it in the first place. Islam has that in history. A way too large amount of catholic priests will be child diddlers. And in US politics it seems to be a bipartisan issue to clandestinely support pedophile crime ringsโฆ I mean wtf?
At least the Christians pretend its wrong. But yeah its all fucked.
At least the Christians pretend its wrong.
Ah, since when? Last time I checked they still had that cover-up going to protect their internal structures. Thatโs more important to the Christian church than the welfare of the victims.
And what does the Bible tell us about pedophilia? Wellโฆ not a lot, seems itโs not wrong in specific?! And what does Christian culture consider a good age of consent? Ohโฆ Entering puberty is a good indicator for being marriage materialโฆ So 9yo would be a bit early for our cultureโฆ But 12yo girl is fine???
But yeah its all fucked.
It definitely is ๐คฎ
FuglyDuckYeah. I donโt think thereโs a shit ton of muslim women who are ardent feminists. Same as thereโs not a whole shit load of MAGA women who are feminists.
Feminist Muslims: I doubt any are Muslim by choice.
Feminist magaโs: Depends how u define feminism. The only thing against womenโs rights trump has done is give states the individual power to decide on abortion rights without that being handed down by the federal government. Plus u donโt become president without womenโs vote and women chose to exercise that right under a democratic system as they pleased (sounds pretty fucking feminist to me).
The only thing against womenโs rights trump has done isโฆ
Thereโs also rape, the rape of girls. The trafficking of girls. The killing of girls. The other rape. The exploitation. The appointment of justices whose first act was to overturn RvW.
Did I mention the rape?
Trump is feminist because women are allowed to vote?
Thatโs disgusting.
Iโm not claiming trump is a feminist Iโm claiming that I donโt think its that unexpected to find a large amount of feminists who support him. Donโt try shift the goalposts here.
Why are you lying?
You said, the only thing Trump has done against womenโs rights is allow states to make their own decision.
That is a lie.
Trump has raped children.
Heโs also appointed judges to scotus knowing full well they would overturn RvW, one of the most significant pieces of protections women (and everyone else, ) had.
Thatโs not a shift in goal posts thatโs me point out how you are wrong.
As for feminists, itโs unlikely anyone that cares about equality and womenโs rights voted for him. There are, however, plenty of women who are not feminists who did.
And the Christian god sent a bear to brutally murder 42 children after they made fun of a bald man. Is everyone who supports Christianity supporting child murder?
Ancient religions tend to have some abhorrent things in their beliefs. Youโd be hard-pressed to find any religion that doesnโt have some absolutely fucked up things in their history
If the argument is that everyone supporting these religions is messed up, I could get behind that. As it stands, most arguments like yours boil down to hate. Hating an out group because itโs easy, because theyโre different, because they make easy, vulnerable targets
If Jeffry Epstein had a religion where he explicitly endorsed fucking 6year olds and marrying 9 year olds would you tolerate anyone who followed that religion?
Epstein basically did that, and itโs a good example to show which groups get targeted for hate, and why
We have people like Donald Trump that actively participated in child sexual abuse, yet far more people will revile Muslims because of the things a central figure in their holy book did more than a thousand years ago
The only difference is Muslims are a weak and vulnerable target. You want a group to hate that canโt fight back
And donโt get me wrong, I hate organized religion. I think many atrocities across the world, and across history can be attributed to organized religion. I just recognize they all commit similar atrocities, and the reasons only one group is singled out
You respect peopleโs right to choose their religion. Then you still judge them for their beliefs and actions.
You can be Muslim and eat pork and think women are equal. You can be Christian and not go to confession. You can be Buddhist and believe in violent response to violence.
The made-up rules of each religion are made up and enforced by the people that are in that religion. Those can change.
And I choose to believe that we cannot accept such ideology in a western society as it is fundamentally counter to our founding principles. Its a paradox to force me to accept freedom of religion on the bases everyone gets to choose their beliefs. You saying I donโt have the freedom to choose not to believe in other peoples freedom of religion?
I honestly canโt make sense of what you just said.
Its a paradox to force me to accept freedom of religion on the bases everyone gets to choose their beliefs.
Why? People can choose their religion and which bits they believe. No paradox there. Unless youโre going to No True Scotsman.
You saying I donโt have the freedom to choose not to believe in other peoples freedom of religion?
Too many negatives. But I think youโre saying โare you forcing me to believe in freedom of religion?โ. And the answer is yes. If you donโt believe in freedom of religion then I can force religion into you.
And that said, regardless of peopleโs religion, you can still judge and punish them for hurting others. Laws supercede religious beliefs, and are why freedom of religion is a required doctrine.
I think hes fundamentally misunderstanding the 1st amendment. Specifically, congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excercise thereofโฆ
The government canโt make laws against Islam (or any other, obviously) or stop people from practicing theres.
As a citizen, he IS entirely within his rights to refuse to acknowledge the validity of any or all religions, judge people for the parts of theirs that do not align with his own morals and beliefs.
His โparadoxโ is that. He apears to be interpreting the first part of 1A as saying he both must and it allowed not to hold his own beliefs with respect to others religion.
He is even entitled to the opinion that 1A is wrong / immoral. And thats what its also saying. Just as the government isnt allowed to tell Muslims their religion is wrong, the government also isnt allowed to tell him that he canโt say he believes theyโre wrong, ignore them in his everyday life etc (Free speech, association)
Now, like anything, theres limits (hate speech, discrimination if hes acting as a buisness, etc)
But quite literally, he could go around saying โI dont believe Muslims should be entitled to practice Islam in americaโ and the government canโt stop him. Just as wed all be free to call him an asshole and say we dont believe he should have the right to espouse that opinion, etc.
The government is just barred from agreeing with him, or us for that matter. and obviously, everyone is barred from actually trying to enforce their beliefs on other people- the courts are barred from giving him a judicial path to that end, and theres no legal way for him to prevent Muslims from worshipping by his own hand, just as theres no way for us silence him, by design.
The oppressed often support other oppressed. Only a small minority of Muslims are misogynistic assholes. Not much different than in any population. One can support the right to freedom of religion without actually liking religion.
Only a small minority of Muslims are misogynistic assholes. Not much different than in any population.
U sure about that:
Category / Attitude Description / Proxy Question South Asia (e.g., Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan) Southeast Asia (e.g., Indonesia, Malaysia) Middle East-North Africa (MENA) (e.g., Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco) Sub-Saharan Africa Central Asia & Southern/Eastern Europe Global Rough Estimate / Notes Support for Sharia as official law Favor making Sharia the law of the land (often includes traditional gender elements) ~84% (99% Afghanistan, 84% Pakistan; 2013 Pew) ~77% (72โ86%; 2013 Pew); ~58% social media users in Madura, Indonesia (2025 study) ~74% (74โ91% in many; 2013 Pew); recent data limited, but tied to rising patriarchal norms (Arab Barometer 2023-2024) ~64% (high in parts; 2013 Pew) 12โ18% (8โ12% in many; 2013 Pew) Majority overall (~50โ70%+ weighted); persistent in populous regions; often limited to family matters Patriarchal family roles Agree wife must obey or men should have final say 90%+ (2013 Pew) High (often 80โ90%+; 2013 Pew) Increased since 2021-2022; 58-75% men agree (e.g., 75% Kuwait, 71% Jordan, 70% Morocco); 27-53% women agree (e.g., 53% Morocco, 35% Kuwait); highest since tracking in some (Arab Barometer 2023-2024) Varies, often high (2013 Pew) 51โ89% (lower in some; 2013 Pew) Majority in most surveyed countries; gender gaps wide (men higher); working female relatives reduce support by 6-17% Justification of wife-beating/domestic violence Husband justified in hitting/beating for reasons (e.g., arguing, refusing sex) Often 40โ70%+ (very high in Afghanistan ~92%; UNICEF/DHS recent) Varies (30โ60% in conservative areas; UNICEF/DHS) Plurality report increase in GBV past year (5/7 countries); no direct % on justification, but linked to patriarchal rise (Arab Barometer 2023-2024) High in Sahel/Somalia (~56โ57%; UNICEF recent) Lower (often <40%; UNICEF/DHS) 40%+ common in high-population countries; tied to religiosity/education; actual rates comparable globally but attitudes permissive Unequal inheritance (traditional view) Oppose equal inheritance for sons & daughters Majority oppose (<50% support equality; 2013 Pew) Varies (2013 Pew) Majority oppose in many (<50%; 2013 Pew); no recent update Varies (2013 Pew) Higher support for equality (~76โ88% in Turkey/Bosnia; 2013 Pew) Traditional view prevails in populous regions; one in four Arab Muslims support โMuslim feminismโ reinterpreting for equality (2020 study) Womenโs right to decide on veiling Women should decide for themselves Lower in conservative areas (2013 Pew) High (80โ90%+; 2013 Pew) Low in some (30โ46% in Egypt/Jordan/Iraq/Afghanistan; 2013 Pew); no recent update Lower in parts (2013 Pew) High (80โ90%+; 2013 Pew) High in secular/urban areas; lower where mandatory; broad support for womenโs choice in many Womenโs right to initiate divorce Women should have right to divorce Low in many (<30% Pakistan/Egypt/Jordan; 2013 Pew) Low in some (~8% Malaysia; 2013 Pew) Low in many; no recent update (2013 Pew) Varies (2013 Pew) High (>80% in many; 2013 Pew) Sharp regional divide; low where male-led; reinterpretations via โMuslim feminismโ gaining (25% Arab support)Not to mention their literal profit the man they believe to be most holy married a 6 year old and fucked her when she was 9.
One can support the right to freedom of religion without actually liking religion.
And if Jeffry Epstein claimed what he was doing was a religion would it be OK to support peoples freedom to practice that religion?
Nice chart Iโm sure but it isnโt really readable on my phone. I think it shows views on various misogynistic attitudes for various regions. It probably matches pretty close to the U.S. general population in the 1950โs especially if only polling men. Yes a lot of the Muslim world is socially behind the West - probably because they keep getting bombed back to the Stone Age. And it looks like the U.S. is regressing sadly.
What people do under the guise of religion usually just reflects what they want to do without it. Look at the all the anti-everything-that-isnโt-white-cis from many supposed Christians, when their book teaches quite the opposite. And there are plenty of misogynistic atheists. Yes Mohammed having a 6-yo is pretty fucked up, but normal Muslims donโt advocate for child brides in this day - they attribute Mohammedโs child sex as a product of the times - whether thatโs fair or not is beside the point - they donโt see it as a license to fuck kids now.
What people do under the guise of religion usually just reflects what they want to do without it. Look at the all the anti-everything-that-isnโt-white-cis from many supposed Christians, when their book teaches quite the opposite. And there are plenty of misogynistic atheists. Yes Mohammed having a 6-yo is pretty fucked up, but normal Muslims donโt advocate for child brides in this day - they attribute Mohammedโs child sex as a product of the times - whether thatโs fair or not is beside the point - they donโt see it as a license to fuck kids now.
You keep saying โprofitโ when you mean โphophetโ. I really canโt take you very seriously when you donโt know the difference between the words
It makes it very clear youโre regurgitating talking points, rather than being well educated on the topic
Nothing screams good faith questions quite like having an entire chart lined up to show those that dare respond.
Nar I went a made the chart to respond to the responce
Fight? Lolz, ok keyboard warrior.
TheLowestStoneThereโs no point in having a serious conversation with anyone from hilariouschaos.
Come on, tell me how youโre gonna fight this fifty year old meme
A handful of crazy people donโt represent an entire religion
Itโs like saying everyone should hate Christianity because of Anders Breivik, or asking why anyone is against antisemitism after Israel bombs children
A few people committing atrocities in the name of a religion does not represent the religion as a whole
Why would leftists or feminists support Christianity either, considering that the New Testament forbids women speaking up in church?
Just like Christian feminists negotiate with the Bible, Muslim feminists negotiate with the Koran. Religion is much more complicated than all of the โenlightenedโ r/atheism types want to pretend it is.