Xbox Co-founder Says Microsoft is Quietly Sunsetting the Platform

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Xbox Co-founder Says Microsoft is Quietly Sunsetting the Platform - Lemmy.World

Lemmy

He’s aged so much he looks like a prospector who has been struggling to find any gold at all …
When xbox first hit the scene it was a breath of fresh air. Now its just a stale fart, its time for it to die.
That’s a 360
The console wars have ended. The PC is victorious.
No, the new player in the game, AI killed everything.
My PC will still boot when the people turn on the data centers in the next 6 months. Can AI say the same?
Damn, I can’t wait to pillage and plunder the datacenters with the lads in a few months.

AI can say anything you tell it to.

And several you don’t.

Some victory. PC sales were plummeting in favour of mobile and now component prices. Console space is now done with any semblance of competition - Sony is now a monopoly and will start behaving as such. And xbox’s portfolio of many many IPs will go straight to the bin.
Ah fuck I forgot about mobile and I hate to consider it.
Yeah. That old lady spending £3000 a month on gems for “Royal Candy Blaster Treasure Blitz Origins” is the gaming industry now. :(

There are some proper games for the phones. Most of them are ports like disco elysium, octopath traveller or balatro, but because the dont get a lot of downloads in app store and google play, the platforms tend to push free games over them. And that makes sense for them, because they also profit from every transaction and ad that those games show. Quality single pay games just have one purchase per player and the audience for them is way smaller.

I personally as a consumer see so much wasted potential with mobile games. I remember when i had one hand held machine for tetris and another machine with shmup while my tamagotchi was dying somewhere. When i got gameboy it was crazy how i could take multible games with me when going on a long trip. Now we have almost always in our pocket a machine with multitudes more power than anything back then, but because how apple and google have build their enviroments devs dont have incentive to make quality single purchase products because they wont get the visibility they need.

Sites like itch.io are too small to make a difference. It would need some big player like Steam to add mobile game category in to their app, but apple and google are making it really tedious to install and update anything outside their own controlled enviroments that understandably serve for their biggest audience, who are children.

I broadly agree with what you are saying here, but, I think you are overlooking something.

The Steam Frame.

It has its own internal ARM chip, is capable of running smaller games entirely self contained within itself.

And… as Proton is a translation layer (FeX) that makes Windows games run on Linux… Valve has been massively either themselves aiding development of, or funding development of a similarish kind of translation layer that converts x86 calls to ARM.

Which can also work with Proton.

So that means that a Steam Frame is technically capable of running many .APK (Android) games.

So… while things are tumultuous right now with the RAMpocalypse… Valve is laying the groundwork, in technical capacity, for mobile games to be broadly playable on its hardware, so its much less of a stretch to imagine that they could at some point open up an APK section on Steam’s storefront.

I used the Arm translation layer in the Steam Frame and it's got promise

x86 translation layers for the win!

XDA
No, many of them will go to PCs or Sony over giving up
One can only hope

In what world is Sony a monopoly when Nintendo exists?

The Switch 2 is not a dedicated home console but it is a console

Don’t get me wrong, consoles are dying too, memory prices have gone up and Sony is already shifting from making money from consoles to making money from subscriptions

Nintendo is just doing their thing and becoming the Apple of the videogame industry

You mean Tencent mobile games
Microsoft owns King. The candy crush franchise creator.
Are those games still making that much money? Compared to gachas?
I’d like to see you try to build a PC right now for less than $1,500. The cornered the market on all of the parts necessary to make a computer that can run games well.
Bro I am playing Webfishing and Space Station 14 on a T460s running linux. Caves of Qud as well. You’ve been lied to. You can game without any of that shit if you’re not trend chasing battlefield.
Microsoft is quietly sunsetting everything they cant make money on with AI.
So, everything?
It feels that way. Every ongoing product MS has feels decrepit and ready to collapse.
It’s been a while since I used any MS product but I’ve got the same feeling with Google products. Weird bugs are starting to accumulate and at the same time they’re cramming every corner with buttons for their new AI integrations, with no explanation of how they’re supposed to work. It’s a mess, the stuff they add in doesn’t even respect the original app design so they’re really starting to look like they’re put together with toothpicks and duct tape.
They’re still scamming the shit out of businesses with their corporate software. Oh and they have Azure which I’m guessing makes money.
Isn’t it ironic? The only Microsoft product that makes money consistently is based on Linux.
Meanwhile, their biggest competitor is either Linux or UNIX. That is, if you accept that macOS “is UNIX.” It’s been UNIX certified for a couple years now, but it’s UNIX in name only. While Steve Jobs’ NeXTStep was based on UNIX, NeXTStep was also vapourware. Still, it became OS X which became the macOS we know and love (or hate) today. But the truth is, it’s UNIX 3 certified, which is a decades-old certification, and it only just barely makes that. So it’s a thing Mac users brag about. “A UNIX system! I know this!” Jurassic Park meme. And then of course there’s Linux. And of course Windows has the Linux subsystem. Still, non-*nix is going the way of the dodo, just like Win9x did when Microsoft realised WinNT was the future. First with the tranwreck that was WinME, but much more importantly with WinXP. And NT was good, but its time is up (or will be soon).
Azure is by far their biggest money maker if I recall
Which is funny, because they keep shooting it in the foot.
They can’t even make money with their AI, they only survive off the windows OEM licenses, Office 365 subs that businesses are locked into and their backend server and sql stuff. That’s enough to make them a walking dead for a long time.

And eventually companies will hopefully start cancelling those subscriptions to move to Open Office or Libre Office.

France is already starting that push by having government departments transition first, and are projected to save millions of euros in licensing fees each year. Once you get a critical mass of users on libre software, it’ll hopefully spread on its own

I’m so happy that in the recent years Linux made leaps and bounds in terms of usability so now we have an alternative that actually works well, especially since Microsoft just stopped caring about desktop Windows users.
xbone was the beginning of the end. when the enshittification kicked in before we had a word for it.

Enshitification has been a thing since the 1940s. I remember in the 80s my grandma saying she used to get pretzels from the corner store. Big soft gooey chewey pretzels.

Now, in the 80s, I could only get a factory made crunchy pretzel rod.

And today? Unless you’re buying a whole bag, you can’t get pretzels at all.

Gone are the mom and pop bakeries too. :(

When I was 5 years old, I used to go to a bakery. And it was locally owned.

I’d go in, and I’d buy a brownie. And I’d do my moms shopping. Just lite stuff. Gallon of milk. Carton of cigerettes. Loaf of bread. Sometimes pancake mix. Then I’d buy a brownie from the bakery.

Every Saturday morning.

This went on for years. Until one day, I came in, clearly something wrong. I bought all my moms groceries. I’m 15 by this point. But I didn’t get my brownie. And so when Abeer (shop owners name) put my brownie on the counter, I said no. She could already tell something was wrong before the brownie rejection. But now she had to ask. I said “I don’t want a brownie today”.

She said “I’ll give you one. It’s ok if you don’t pay this week.”

I said “No. It’s not about money. I don’t want a brownie.”

She asked “Whats wrong?”

I said “Papa died…” and I burst into tears. Papa was my grandfather. He had died the night before. I just wanted to get in, and get out. Without talking really. But when she heard Papa died, she rushed around the counter and hugged me.

Here’s a woman who I’d grown up with. Every weekend talking for 30-60 minutes. She was the shopkeep, yes, but she was also a close family friend.

I was in this trance/haze of doing what I need to do, because I need to, but my mind was elsewhere. I was just trying to do my moms shopping, and get home in 5 minutes so I could curl back up in bed. Not to sleep, but just to try not to remember that I exist.

So when she ran around the counter to hug me, I didn’t even know what was happening. I thought she was still behind the counter, and now suddenly she’s hugging me.

I’m 42 now, but I cannot imagine kids today being able to understand the core concept of old school communities. They’ve been ripped out and replaced by walmart and other heartless souless corporations.

Can you imagine a 6 year old leaving his house, walking 10 minutes, entering walmart, and spending 30 minutes talking to the workers, telling them about the week at school? Showing her your TMNT toys you got for your birthday? Telling them various things about your life?

I cannot imagine that, but that was how the whole neighborhood was growing up. Every store a small community shop. Every adult knew every kid. Every kid knew every kid.

One time I was walking home and it started raining. So I just went onto the doorstep of the first house I saw that I knew a kid lived at. I’m just standing on the porch, waiting for it to stop raining. Suddenly Andys mom opens the door. She says “Andys not here right now. He’s over at James house.”

I said “Oh, ok. I’m just using the porch as shelter until it clears.”

And thats when Andys mom drove me home. Thats just how it was. A whole community looking out for the whole community.

Now anytime I go back to my old neighborhood, I don’t recognize it. C-Town pizza is gone. Obviously the video rental stores are gone. One time I even went and knocked on the houses of the kids I knew. Wondering if anyone I used to know inherited their parents old houses. Nope. I had a woman yell at me for disturbing her time. Wasn’t anyone I used to know.

But just looking around, I could tell the street layout may be the same, but this wasn’t a community. This was an isolated set of houses.

And now I’m sad. Because I miss those days. I miss the idea of everyone caring about everyone. I miss the wholesome nature of a new family moving in, and everyone just bombarding them with welcoming arms. I miss the idea of just going to my friends house, and walking in, Kramer style (minus the racism).

Now life is just cold and isolated.

That was a powerful story. Man, you said it all. Thank you for sharing that. :)
Fuck. This is the beauty and compassion we have lost.
This was beautiful to read, and I feel the same as you. Thank you so much for sharing such a heart warming story. :')

If you are ever on a road trip and go by a Wawa gas station, stop and get their soft pretzels. buy as many as you can and freeze them for later.

The german grocery store Lidl also has decent soft pretzels.

Agreed. I’m still convinced that the always online/DRM shit they pulled with the Xbox One at launch was a catastrophe they never recovered from. Even though they quickly reversed that decision after backlash, I think the damage was done.
yeah at the very least it signaled their intentions.
This isn’t new. I heard them say years ago “yeah Sony won the console war but that doesn’t matter” implying cloud gaming

That makes sense. Microsoft didn’t enter the console market for gamers or gaming- they entered it to beat sony. The PS2 had a linux distro you could load on it to try to sell it as a computer to circumvent luxury import taxes. If it WAS a computer, it would compete with Microsoft Windows. They were worried that a console could just sell software instead of games and be a competitor, so they threw a ton of money trying to run Sony out of business.

Microsoft never really wanted to win gaming. The war was against an enemy that wasn’t really a threat. So not killing off a console wasn’t really a “loss”.

Is this the real reason everybody is trying to sue valve these days?
There are legitimate reasons to dislike the monopoly behaviors that Valve employs.
While true, you don’t see anyone else at all even trying to be better than Steam, unfortunately. :/
They’re sunsetting the platform alright, but nothing about it is quiet
I was thinking the same thing. We’ve known about it for years.

Xbox as a 3rd party publisher can succeed. As a console vendor, it’s too late to stop the multiplatform strategy this gen. They’re not Nintendo. At least on the Wii U, Nintendo was still releasing great games and the 3DS sold like 80 million units and Nintendo were also releasing great games there and all those studios would converge on the Switch. They can’t be serious launching a console without a great launch year lineup of exclusives marketed well to convince people that they won’t cut tail and run if a new console doesn’t take off.

The advice for the new Xbox CEO that I believe in is to rip the bandage off and embrace 3rd party publishing. Timings for a new console seem awful. Fable is supposed to release this year. Forza Horizon Japan this year. Obsidian has already released their two big games last year. Perfect Dark cancelled. Forza Motorsport studio seemingly on life support rather than working on a new entry. New Gears of War should release soon. Elder Scrolls VII I’m not betting on that before the 2030s. Also these unreleased announced games are marketed as multiplatform already. Is it going to be another attempt at a Halo as the launch title after a string of crowd goes mild Halo releases

Quick FYI: it’s Elder Scrolls VI, you added an extra ‘I’ by accident

Sorry to burst your bubble but the new head of Xbox has literally 0 experience with video games.

The woman that everyone was sure was Phil’s second in command, being set up to be his replacement?

Yeah she just got told she was being overtopped, and she then seemingly just retired, she just ‘resigned’, not even a new position in MSFT or at another high falutin’ gaming company or anything.

The new head os Xbox is mainly a data scientist and project manager, managed instacart and other online etailer type apps.

Her speciality is using data to precisely squeeze as much money as possible out of a given service.

Which is what she will be doing.

This is for the best. As someone who is forced to work with a lot of Microsoft infrastructure let me tell you things have never been this broken before. They keep doubling down on AI and it simply doesn’t work.
I feel you brother. It’s bad. They are pushing AI features at the speed of light but forgetting that other things need attention too. Log a support ticket and it spews out AI shit that I have already tried or doesn’t help.

My favorite last week was 2 dead support numbers and a third that let to AI which happily told me it has a solution that will fix the problem. The link it sent brought me to the bing search page.

I was so happy to finally talk to indian support a day later.

I will slog through so many menus and weird support numbers to talk to a real person.
There are already a bunch of documented but umimplemented functions in a few Xbox related API, like GameInput.