Data centers are now hoarding SSDs as hard drive supplies dry up

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Data centers are now hoarding SSDs as hard drive supplies dry up - Lemmy NZ

>According to Taiwan tech publication DigiTimes, most AI firms are unwilling to wait two years for HDD supplies to stabilize and are shifting to SSDs instead. To contain costs, they are choosing QLC NAND-based drives over the faster, more durable, and more expensive TLC variants.

“Why does the population hate us? We’re only completely destroying the consumer electronics market, accelerating climate change, aiming to eliminate countless jobs, increasing power costs, and stealing the works of millions of people to feed our system all so we can get even more obscenely wealthy? Please clap.”
You forgot to mention that the product they’re sacrificing everything for is widely failing to meet expectations and that they will likely expect taxpayers to bail them out when their investments fail and threaten to take out the entire economy with themselves

To be clear, it only wildly fails to meet expectations in sectors that you hear about.

It’s most definitely medium expectations in sectors you don’t hear about because news and social media have a huge negativity bias because that gets views and engagement.

Like what?
Law enforcement and military
I certainly expect that the visual models are meeting expectations in the racial profiling department.

www.upi.com/Odd_News/2026/01/05/…/9641767634540/

Doesn’t seem to be meeting expectations in that sector either.

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Oh yeah I just read how AI keeps suggesting nuking everyone. That sounds like a great success. (I get what you mean, I just wanted to be a wiseass)
I think it’s more like expectations have been deliberately lowered in those fields to meet exactly what AI can deliver. Unpredictable, arbitrary, non-negotiable decisions are the point, and the goal. It’s not about enforcing any laws or achieving any actual outcome other than making innocent people fear for their lives. And it’s doing a fine job at that.

Contact centers, software development, automation, images and video analysis, data analysis, semantic search, entity recognition…etc

Many of these are cross-cutting across many sectors.

Most of these aren’t generative AI, tho?
Also in a few years when the AI generated nonsense code reaches a critical point and a ton of important systems grind to a halt, we’ll expect all of you that we fired to come back and un-fuck it for us so we can keep on making money. On temporary contracts and at reduced wages of course because times are tough.
But the crash is the moment where the people with actual tech knowledge will have leverage to say them: “pay me 10 times my standard rate or get bent”
I hope so! But if the economy gets bad enough I can see people getting desperate enough that they’ll all scramble and under-cut each other into oblivion just to secure the work. Time will tell I guess.

On temporary contracts and at reduced wages of course because times are tough.

Software engineers predicted this would happen. The percentage of developers that love fixing other people’s code is essentially zero, fixing ai code is even smaller.

If they require low wages, they’ll only get the worst of the worst. Expect this phase to repeat until they are forced to hire for competence and pay above market rate required to convince senior developers to deal with not just the ai mess but all the failed attempts to turn it around.

I have a feeling, that the tech sector has enough kompromat on a lot of important people to keep the bubble from bursting.

I am start to think they are going on the acceleroism theory to push the society to the limits and destroy all for change

Some think this could lead to a more equallytary society, some wants to make a more centralized and controlled by one power sort of society, there is 2 different school of thought on this.

But we are clearly going to have big changes

Didn’t forget draining all their drinking water. Violating everyone’s copyright. Driving teens to suicide. Giving terrible medical advice. And Generating csam.

The water things still baffles me out. Like…just…cycle it. It’s a heat exchange system.

What do they do with the water? Pump thru once and then dump it?

Evaporative cooling. They’re trying to save on their electric bills by not using AC. Or sometimes they’re cooling the AC condensers themselves this way.

The amount of heat generated is so large they can’t properly cool it with a closed loop system.

And clean water just reduces duct maintenance costs.
Oh. That’s dumb. Or at least, wrongly incentivized.

I, for one, applaud anything that helps destroy the current Intellectual Property system,

Not the other things, though.

Except the ones feeling the hurt the most are the little guys

Agreed.

One single potentially good thing in the middle of bad things still adds to something bad.

My point is that this shit is happening either way no matter how shit it all is, so if we can recognize and extract one good thing out of it at least on the other side we’ll have one good thing, whilst if we don’t, we’ll have nothing good at all.

It’s a mystery!

Are now? Haven’t they been using flash first?

Hard drives suck for that work load. Their seek times are huge, their throughput is awful, and they’re worse storage density than HDDs. You can fit 24 2.5" ssds into a 2u server. 16TB in a 2.5" > 24TB in 3.5" SSDs were first to skyrocket in price vs HDDs.

A"I" companies want to store petabytes of “good” training data
Exabytes. Petabytes are easily surpassed by a lot of companies these days.
No. AI companies have huge storage requirements for training data. Flash storage is not cost efficient for mass storage quantities.
For massive companies space is as costly as the price of the storage. Especially these AI companies don’t care much about the price of things.
Something tells me you’ve never worked for a massive company.
These aren’t massive companies. They’re startups. (and some branches inside of massive companies acting like startups)
Bruh, you’re the one who called them massive companies
… it’s Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and Facebook building all these huge datacenters. The biggest companies on the planet
On the upside, we consumers get to have the superior TLC SSDs (better write durability).
Compared to microns?
TLC is the technology, not the manufacturer. TLC means three bits per cell, versus QLC which has 4 bits per cell. Every extra bit the cell has to store exponentially reduces its write cycle.
But at double the price that they were a few months ago.
Back to punch cards we go. Or are they hoarding paper too?
“This just in. Panic buying of paper has led to shortages in timber, resulting in another round of toilet paper scarcity.”
Tariffs already gutted the barley starting to recover from the pandemic wood shortage.

Cue that guy laughing in between mountains of toilet paper

youtu.be/1pqXaVVmN-c

On a Roll: Dutch Warehouse Worker Laughs With Glee as He Shows Off Toilet Paper Stock

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Hungry Mungry sat at supper, Took his knife and spoon and fork, Ate a bowl of mushroom soup, ate a slice of roasted pork, Ate a dozen stewed tomatoes, twenty-seven deviled eggs, Fifteen shrimps, nine bakes potatoes, Thirty-two fried chicken legs, A shank of lamb, a boiled ham, Two bowls of grits, some black-eye peas, Four chocolate shakes, eight angel cakes, Nine custard pies with Muenster cheese, Ten pots of tea, and after he, Had eaten all that he was able, He poured some broth on the tablecloth And ate the kitchen table. His parents said, ‘Oh Hungry Mungry, stop these silly jokes.’ Mungry opened up his mouth, and ‘Gulp,’ he ate his folks. And then he went and ate his house, all the bricks and wood, And then he ate up all the people in the neighborhood. Up came twenty angry policeman shouting, ‘Stop and cease.’ Mungry opened his mouth and ‘Gulp,’ he ate the police. Soldiers came with tanks and guns. Said Mungry, ‘They can’t harm me.’ He just smiled and licked his lips and ate the U.S. Army.

The President sent all his bombers- Mungry still was calm, Put his head back, gulped the planes, and gobbled up the bomb. He ate his town and ate the city- ate and ate and- And then he said, ‘I think I’ll eat the whole United States.’

And so he ate Chicago first and munched the Water Tower, And then he chewed on Pittsburgh but he found it rather sour. He ate New York and Tennessee, and all of Boston town, Then drank the Mississippi River just to wash it down. And when he’d eaten every state, each puppy, boy and girl He wiped his mouth upon his sleeve and went to eat the world.

He ate the Egypt pyramids and every church in Rome, And all the grass in Africa and all in ice in Nome. He ate each hill in green Brazil and then to make things worse He decided for dessert he’d eat the universe.

He started with the moon and stars and soon as he was done He gulped the clouds, he sipped the wind and gobbled up the sun. Then sitting there in the cold dark air, He started to nibble his feet, Then his legs, then his hips Then his neck, then his lips Till he sat there just gnashin’ his teeth ‘Cause nothin’ was nothin’ was Nothin’ was nothin’ was Nothin’ was left to eat.

  • Hungry Mungry, Shel Silverstein
the consumer hardware market is so tiny. It has almost no buying power or pull. Its hard to expect them to cater to it when its single digit % of their overall sales.
Next year’s CES is gonna be every AI product from this year’s CES but with no progress on release date because they can’t even buy the consumer grade hardware to produce it since it all went into data centers lol.
I have one in my basement

Yeah, me too. I keep it at the bottom of a well, and use a bucket to lower things up and down.

Wait, what were we talking about again?

Man, fuck those guys
How do we make the AI firms bankrupt faster?
At this moment I am seriously considering if we mayhaps need a tool that automatically queries the AI tools with random garbage just to eat up their budget.
That counts as usage, they’ll use it to convince investors.
Yeah, that’s kinda like trying to DDoS a Cloudflare protected server in hopes that they would drop Cloudflare.
It is useless to play this game against them. All the top players are already in.^[they have won against local textiles in almost all places and against little food industries in enough places. They start by destroying the incentive to produce locally and continue with centralising the means of production. All the while, using the fruits of your labour against you. Eventually they want to destroy your ability to walk away, by being the only option everywhere.]
Best, find your own way to create ICs and make them for community purposes.
There will be much less money and you will be tempted to sell to AI chaps, so you will need willpower.
Specially after putting the time and effort to manufacture yourselves.

It does somewhat feel like all the levers of power are in the hands of people who have little to no reliance on the consumer market anymore. Your money is no good here.

They can all enjoy the perfect financial circlejerk with most of the world’s money whilst the rest of us scratch at the window.

scratch at the window

I have read this thing 2 times today and I can’t find a meaning for this.
What does this idiom mean?

It’s an old saying, longer version I know is:

“Saddest thing in the world is a cat scratching at the window because it used to be an inside cat.”

I mean, in essence, it refers to you trying to get someone else’s attention when you are outside of a situation and looking in.

The silver lining in all this is that when this bubble explodes we’ll probably have a glut in the supply of HDDs and SSDs, driving prices down.

Just hold any plans to upgrade your hardware for a year or two and you’ll end up better of (for many it will even be a good exercise to wean oneself out of the Consumer Society’s mindless “instant gratification” impulses).