Sean TilleyFeb 25

Federated End-to-End Encrypted Messaging is Coming Soon

https://lemmy.world/post/43545989

Show threadSteveFeb 25
I thought we already had Matrix
Show threadconfuser
Matrix is decentralized but its not federating in a way like activity pub is doing
Feb 25 at 3:17amWeb
Show threadRioting PacifistFeb 25

What do you mean?

And what benefit justifies yet another standard?

Show threadVaalaVasaVardeFeb 25
In this day and age we need as many open source e2e encrypted alternatives as possible.
Show threadlittleomidFeb 25
Matrix is a protocol, not an “App”. We would all benefit if everyone stopped doing their own thing, and started to push stuff for Matrix.
Show threadVaalaVasaVardeFeb 25

Huh? ActivityPub is also a protocol, now with this feature, why does that extra feature stop people from using Matrix?

Matrix has a list of specs, and ActivityPub has a different list, there may be some overlap but what’s the problem here?

Show threadlittleomidFeb 26
Because this is being advertised as federated end to end encrypted chat. They already exists and it’s called matrix, and it works damn well.
Show threadconfuserFeb 25
Matrix does not connect natively to discord as an example, every user of a matrix protocol is still within matrix
Show threadWalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]Feb 25
Activitypub doesn’t connect natively to my toaster.
Show threadZagorathFeb 25
Sounds like you need to upgrade your toaster, noob.
Show threadlittleomidFeb 25
So? Does anything connect to discord, legally and natively?
Show threadSteveFeb 25
ActivityPub isn’t the only way to federate.
It’s federating the same way email does. Anyone can spin up their own server. And if they want anyone can spin up their own software.
Show threadconfuserFeb 25
No that’s decentralization, federating is when you can share the info natively outside the platform.
Show threadageedizzleFeb 25

That’s a distinction that only matters to nerds.

Luckily most of us on here are nerds so it’s all good.

Show threadSteveFeb 25

share the info natively outside the platform.

I’m not even sure that makes sense.
Federating is based on protocols not platforms. And what does it mean to share natively if not using the protocol?

Show threadLost_My_MindFeb 25

What??? I thought being part of Federation meant being part of the WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION!

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Pomp and circumstance plays over the house speakers

ELIZABETH!!!

Show threadMentalEdgeFeb 25

How so? It’s certainly very similar.

The matrix protocol enables federation between different instances running different homeservers between users using different clients.

Show threadconfuserFeb 25
But all those clients are matrix, not say some discord, some fluxer, some stoat, etc.
Show threadWalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]Feb 25
All activitypub platforms are activity pub. Also, matrix is a protocol, not a client. There’s tons of clients for matrix (element/element x being the main one).
Show threadAnafabulaFeb 25

The Fediverse isn’t federated.

All those clients are ActivityPub, not say some Twitter, some Facebook, some Bluesky, etc.

How is that different?

Show threadMentalEdgeFeb 25

Yes?

“Matrix” is the protocol.

The equivalent is ActivityPub, not discord, fluxer or stoat.