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explodicleThe right: these extremists decide elections so we’ll make it our whole platform again
The left: these extremists decide elections so we’ll blame them again
Who’s blaming? I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.
nullBoth sides onviously aren’t the same, one is more evil than the other. But they are both evil.
Obama has the blood of tens of thousands of innocent civilians on his hands, shame on anyone helping him wash.
Nobody thinks that.
Some of them think that it would have eventually reached this point anyway, if not under this republican administration, then the next one. And there’s a good case for that.
Others think you can’t sign on to far worse atrocities that just happen to be perpetrated elsewhere in the world, no matter what, because you are then personally complicit. Also a valid viewpoint.
The performative cruelty that this administration is practicing is genuinely a new low, it’s true. But the burden of doing something about it was and is on people with institutional power, not random ordinary people. The democrats could easily have won the election and they chose not to, and after the trump team, they are the ones to blame next.
The people that voted for Trump are first to blame. People that didn’t vote are second. It’s that simple. There are reasons why a person may have decided not to vote, but none of them change that fact that not voting was effectively a vote for Trump. I view non voters a small step above Trump voters. They at least have the same level of intelligence and critical thinking skills as one another.
not voting was effectively a vote for Trump
That’s totally fallacious. Not voting is not voting. The only way to arrive at that conclusion is that you think that one specific party is by default entitled to votes, no matter what they do, which is wrong. Politicians have to earn votes. They chose a platform which was not popular and so they lost. And they did that to protect specific interests.
I do get being upset at people who are nominally on your side but decided not to vote. It’s understandable. But in no way are they anywhere near as much to blame as the people who had a billion dollar marketing budget for their political campaign and decided “fuck what the people want”.
No it’s fact. Not voting supports the less good candidate 100% of the time in FPtP.
And yes, non voters are more responsible for this than the DNC sending a shit message. If non voters and third party voted Kamala, we wouldn’t have a dictator in the White house right now. The DNC didn’t put him there, voters for Trump and non voters did.
No it’s fact. Not voting supports the less good candidate 100% of the time in FPtP.
What are you talking about? It’s pretty rich to go on about critical thinking and then come out with this. Someone who didn’t vote could have equally been someone who didn’t vote for trump. You mean “someone who was going to vote for the democrats but then didn’t”.
The DNC purposefully threw the election. They are the ones with agency here. Each non voter might have gotten them 0.00001% closer to winning. They could have gotten themselves 100% closer.
This is a matter of statistics. Statistically, what I’m saying is a fact. You don’t have to like it, but voters and non voters decided the election, not the DNC. The DNC sucks, but they didn’t cast votes for Trump and didn’t sit out the election. They carry blame for dissuading voters, but it’s still all comes back to those voters. The DNC could have said probably anything, and it shouldn’t have mattered because it was still Kamala v Trump. Anyone that didn’t vote because of the words of a bunch of old fools when the candidates were right there to see, is an idiot.
and didn’t sit out the election
Wrong. They made a deliberate choice to pursue a platform that would lose them the election because they care more about killing children overseas than they care about not killing children at home. That’s what’s a fact.
It doesn’t matter what they said or pushed for. There were two known commodities, Kamala and Trump, one of them was going to win. Everyone knew what Trump would do. Whether Kamala would have done anything to improve the situation overseas is an unknown, but I guarantee there was a better chance of positive change had she won.
Anyone that based their voting off of the DNC instead of their own eyes, again, is an idiot.
Just so you know, you’re replying to .ml there. I mean, I agree, but reasoned discussion isn’t going to win out with the leftist leftists that ever lefted.
Do theird party voters come in between those two options or after “didn’t vote”
Seriously, it’s* all* true. It is the fault of Trump Voters, the DNC, 3rd party voters, and non-voters.
Hell, I’ll go one further and say those who do nothing but vote for the most progressive Dem in the primary and then vote for the Dem no matter who it is AND that is all they have ever done to address how terrible the Dem party is, also share in the blame.
You don’t find fault with that, or place responsibility on them?
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