Serious question. Would Klingon culture see this as a weakness? They would be unable to reproduce but it’s that dishonorable?

The honor system is pretty subjective, I believe Worf was in a catch22 where not joining the Klingons to fight the federation was considered dishonourable but betraying the federation was also dishonourable.

For this situation i would say that creating offspring would be considered honourable but lying to your partner and yourself about your true feelings of love would be very dishonourable.

Also in many context just because you did not do an honorable thing yourself, that does not automatically dishonour you.

Disclaimer: yeah Klingons are fictional and can be whatever we want them to be. And I celebrate and have no issue with Star Trek’s continual inclusion of queer characters.

But would it really be so bad if Klingons did not have the same moral and cultural values that humanity does? I think it would make a far more interesting show. It’s easy to preach tolerance and acceptance when everyone is culturally more or less the same, but it’s a much deeper moral dilemma when there are fundamental differences in the way they view the universe.

And would be much more analogous to cross-cultural differences on Earth today.

I think we’ve seen too much of Klingons being reasonable enough people when it comes to social issues that I don’t think that’s a path we should explore if only because there are other means of doing it.

Orville does it a lot like older Trek, which is to say, beats you over the head with a concept you may be experiencing in day to day life and shows the real world consequences of opinions around it. They have a storyline about a Klingon-like race that is strictly male (they sex change the babies if they’re not male), the ‘right’ opinion is very clear by how the main protagonists react, but they can’t just overrule another culture or people

In this way, they assert that the learned/educated belief is to let people be who they are, and restricting that only causes pain and trauma and the rift it tears in families can be massive. They flipped the issue on it’s head. “Forced sex changes” is the big fear Republicans in the US have been touting this last few decades, so now the uber-masculine species is forced to be all male and any disagreement is systematically squashed and discouraged. But it’s so painfully clear the Moclans are in wrong, and the tension of the show comes down to how systems oppress others and the limited options for outside entities to intervene.

Essentially my point is that people WANT a utopian show where the good guys are really doing good things and the universe is mostly on it’s way away from the troubles we experience in society today. Orville and Old Trek both asserted that some things have already been handled in Earth’s history, like capitalism and gender/sex discrimination, and that people who disagree are anachronistic and often farther behind in other technologies. Call the dumb people dumb on my fantasy show, and do it in a way that let’s the audience experience the issue without making it an opinion that holds ANY mainstream appeal outside of clearly-wrong fringe groups.

If it’s not a problem for Kirk to kiss Uehara, then why should homosexuality be an actual contention point in Star Trek in 2026? Just give us another allegory for it and we’ll pick it up and move on