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artifexI honestly have to wonder at what point people will collectively say “why the hell are we letting them do this” ? Not sure what happens after that, but it seems like it must have to happen at some point, right? Right?
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SyrupSplashinBecause the people in positions to do something about it get paid by the evil doers to make sure business is as usual
The problem its not just some rich guys they are just the hitmen. Its PetroStates that are behind them. Its not about money at this point its about power and a house of cards those states put in place completely propped up by oil. As in if they stop oil their Nation collapses and they dragged from into the streets and eliminated.
Because the average American and European feels their convenient lifestyle is more important than the life of the planet. They’ll talk the talk about the environment, but they won’t walk the wall with their votes or actions.
AzzuI was recently at a kind of convention on the topic of “how to build a sustainable society”. There were two ~40 yr old ladies in the row in front of me.
One got out this super shiny copper flask. The lady next to her was like “oh that looks nice!” and they start talking about it. The lady that got it out said something about copper, its health impacts blabla and how she got it last week from Amazon.
And I’m just sitting there, holding it together, almost laughing out of frustration, about this whole situation.
Please do not put Europeans in the same pot with US Americans. These days are altogether over but for the topic of fighting climate change things were different for quite a while.
You are. Don’t pretend you aren’t, on climate issues. You’re doing more than the usa, yes, but no where even close to enough.
If so then we are all in the same pot. Who is doing enough or more than that?
visualcapitalist.com/…/mapped-renewable-energy-by…
I would say anyone who is above 70% renewables is potentially on track. But you need to take heating and cars into consideration for usage, as well as the carbon impacts of imports and various industries… So really,
en.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_countries_by_carbon_di…
Including this information, maybe some random small African nations.
Exactly.
Yeah, kinda like that time Brian Kemp got shot, and the next day United Healthcare ceased to exist.
Not saying that the general point of corporations doing more harm than people is wrong. Just that if you think that the corporation is just one person, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Yup. After 9/11 for a while it seemed every week or two the news would report that “The leader of Al Qaeda” had just been killed or captured. Not a false statement, yet it happened again the next week.
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bearboiblakeI just want to say that the idea that we could develop a crowdsourced bounty system on the dark web using cryptocurrency would be illegal and I would never publicly support it.
The way in which Luigi was arrested is part of their safety checks. A way to motivate working class to turn people in, without paying them. I generally thought reward money worked.
I learned it did not work from a podcast that no longer exists. Michael Bazzel’s OSINT podcast talked about it within the context of people who used OSINT to find people on wanted lists and how reward money collection actually works. (Podcast doesn’t exist any more, the copies of the casts went away with the podcast.). Sadly, there’s no replacement for this type of news and info condensed down into one place. It’s also a niche area of information, not followed by many.
Those McDonald’s workers were not paid for turning Luigi in. But they thought they would be.
Even so, look at the bigger picture. How many Luigi’s have there been since 1981?
Most people avoid confrontation, spending most of their days sitting in a chair or lying down, and thinking/hoping/wishing a white knight is going to rescue them from their situation. It’s one reason why so many people exist in bad relationships (1 or a chain of them). Because they think that other person is going to rescue them from their sad days of avoiding confrontation while sitting in a chair or lying down, most of the day for most of their days. Hoping. But never doing. Thinking about doing. Maybe spouting off on the internet about doing. But never doing.
find people on wanted lists and how reward money collection actually works
How does it actually work?
Generally? It doesn’t.
See making the call to tip off the cops makes you eligible for the reward. If you called the correct tip/reward phone number. So that’s the first road block.
Even then, you aren’t automatically getting the reward. No. There are still hoops to jump through.
As a note these additional hoops also apply when there isn’t a specific phone number.
According to the FBI’s website, I’d link but I’m on my phone, someone (an agent, a prosecutor, etc) has to put your name forward in a nomination package.
This is then reviewed by the FBI and other agencies, it’s kind of vague.
Anyway these agencies decide if you get a reward and what percentage.
And none of this can start until after a conviction is secured.
Wait, holup
Didnt bazzel stop doing podcasts way before luigi happened? Or are you talking about an old episode
Looks like it was back in March 2022 so still a little while before Thompson’s final claim denial. Show notes are available but it’s not saying much more than what you get from the title of the episode:
EPISODE 254-OSINT+Fugitives=Rewards
This week I release the previously-canceled show about finding fugitives with OSINT and collecting large rewards.
voidsignalif that continues to happen, trust me, eventually none of these fuckers will be left in line.
There is also a societal dependance on some of the status quo. The bigger issue is how hard they actively resist the change. A lot of places still rely on trucking at a minimum to fill the groccery store with food wrapped in plastic, most of which is powered or made by fossil fuels. We need to electrify and diversifying but they cling to oil and have way too much power in governmental decisions to prevent or reverse any reduction in dependance for their products.
United Healthcare’s stock is down 60% since the incident. United Healthcares board and new CEOs lowered the rejection rate of patients out of fear as well. Say what you want about the mortality of what was done. The efficacy speaks for itself
They seemed pretty mortal to me yeah, idk why anyone would say otherwise
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So, UHC stock was up around 600, dropped to a bit over 200, and is lately around 300. So like ¾ of the drop is still there in linear terms, or something like ⅔ in logarithmic terms.
That’s true, and my bad for implying otherwise.
But I also think much more critically, they’re back to denying coverage exactly the way they were before Thompson died.
I have no knowledge to refute that latter point, and I am inclined to think it is very likely true.
Well then we just need to stagger the killings in intervals to keep them in check. Simple solution.
tl;dr Find a better method.
Repeated use of the same drug will bring marginal gains.
Companies will evolve to create lower cost (lower impact) figureheads.
Cruelty works best when it is used all at once.
Operant conditioning, as stated by EldritchFeminity above, is better applied in a case where you have higher levels of control over the subject’s environment.
If you do want to continue doing so slowly, then you need to accompany this with other operations…
like using the shock period to gather opinions into a voice gives a clear-ish indication to what behaviour caused the event and what change in behaviour would prevent further repetition.
One might think that it is something very obvious and everyone knows the difference between what they are doing vs what they should be doing, but sometimes just saying it out loud makes a big difference.
This is one methodology where an authority would excel at. And this particular methodology would horribly fail with a non-authority.
But any authority needs to be trustworthy, which requires consistency. And considering how all pre-established authorities are collectively deciding to fall towards inconsistency, I see authorities failing and hence, the methods that work with authority.
Kemp is alive and governing Georgia as far as I know but I’m happy to be corrected if that’s wrong. You may be thinking of Brian Thompson who involuntarily resigned his position as the CEO of UnitedHealthcare on a NYC sidewalk.
Ah damn, you right. Should have Googled it. Too many Brian’s in the news, lol. Got the wires crossed.
Editing to fix.
You did have my hopes up for a moment.
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wonderingwandererWhich one of those things are you doing?
That’s a fed question.
You act like they’re doing any of it besides the smug moral solace
No I don’t.
I’m capable of being honest, and judging myself by thr same standards I judge others.
You just assumed that I’m not.
I didn’t “assume” that, it was indicated by the smugness of your keyboard warrior “just do such-and-such, or succumb to doomerism” argument.
No, you’re not getting it:
Yep, I am smug, hence the smug description of being smug.
Meta-smugness.
You’re assuming that I do not count myself amongst being smug.
I do.
Its also not the only of those 3 things I do, see my other comment where you decided to give a pretty good, though mostly off topic explanation of Nietzche vs Schopenhauer, totally missing the part wherr I established being smug is not the only thing that I do.
So if you can be a smug doomer about it while putting off tangible action for an indefinite period while you work on being able to do more, then why can’t everyone else?
I just don’t get the point of criticizing people for not doing the things that you’re also not doing. You’re not the only person with a disability or other socioeconomic disadvantage that might get in the way.
If someone is an able-bodied, white, hetero, cis male with generational wealth, then chances are they don’t care too strongly about changing the status quo. So who was your intended audience exactly?
A bit of the first, and a bit of the third.
Its hard to be an agent of one’s own will to power when one is seriously crippled.
So mostly what I am doing is physical therapy so that I can get back to being a more effective agent of my own will.
I prefer Schopenhauer’s Will to Life which Nietzsche plagiarized during his psychotic ramblings.
If Nietzsche was right about the Will to Power being the essence of life, then fascism would be justified. What is fascism besides an exercise in Will to Power devoid of empathy? Hitler loved Nietzsche. He corrupted a lot of the things Nietzsche said. Nietzsche wasn’t inherently fascist, and actually abhorred authority. But his Will to Power rhetoric did lend itself to the development of fascist ideology.
Life isn’t merely some competition between rivaling species of plants that will overwhelm the other if the other doesn’t overwhelm them first. That’s what happens when there’s an imbalance in an ecosystem, such as with the introduction of non-native plants. If that were perfectly fine as an analogy for human society and behavior, then what argument could be made against colonization and ethnic cleansing? The same argument would justify capitalistic exploitation, extractive industry, “infinite growth,” and zero-sum economic systems.
To be clear, those things are evil, but that’s why I don’t believe in the Will to Power. (True that Nietzsche didn’t mean it that way, because he personally was anti-authority, but he failed to consider what it would mean for an authoritarian figure with the intention and capability to enforce an evil Will to Power).
But in a balanced ecosystem, life isn’t a zero-sum game. Lots of species symbiotically work together to maintain the balance, a sort of ecological homeostasis. On the species level, even predator-prey relations are symbiotic (without wolves, deer overpopulate and overconsume, then they starve and experience population collapse).
So that’s why I favor Will-to-Life over Will-to-Power.
There’s also Will-to-Good, which sounds great on the surface, but “Good” is hard to define, so it’s mostly useless and can lend itself to corruption and perversity just as easily.
… Ok.
I didn’t mean to get into a philosophy argument, I meant to indicate my capacity to act in the world.
Bring crippled significantly hampers that, when it comes to most kinds of physical actions.
Okay, you can’t just mention a desire to be an agent of your own will to power and expect me not to discuss the differences between Nietzsche and Schopenhauer…
The phrase “will to power” has an origin, and it was coined by Nietzsche as an adaptation of Schopenhauer’s “will to life.”
In my view, power is a means to an end and not an inherent good worth pursuing for its own sake. Life, on the other hand, is an end in itself and is an inherent good worth pursuing for its own sake.
It makes sense to ask “Why do you want power?” But if you ask “Why do you want to live,” it seems kinda pointless like asking the wrong question.
This is because living is the reason for everything else that we do: work, get paid, buy food, eat. We fight for better systems because they’re more conducive to life. We might sacrifice our own lives for an ideal that makes life possible or better for others, presumably people we care about, and even then, life is the goal, just not for ourselves.
A will to power requires further justification. A will to life does not.
ComradeSharkfuckerMaybe find an economic system not dependant on exploitation? There’s gotta be one out there somewhere
Yeah, kinda like that time Brian Thompson got shot, and the next day United Healthcare ceased to exist.
Their HP definitely went down. And, anecdotally, I heard from a pharmacist friend that they were approving claims like nobody’s business for the next day or so
Operant conditioning, also called instrumental conditioning, is a learning process in which voluntary behaviors are modified by association with the addition (or removal) of reward or aversive stimuli. The frequency or duration of the behavior may increase through reinforcement or decrease through punishment or extinction.
Within a week of the killing, BCBS backed out on some of their upcoming bullshit and United Heathcare’s pre-authorization rejection rate has decreased dramatically in the aftermath.
Thimpson’s death (at the hands of someone whose identity we’ll never know for sure) was objectively good for the insured.
I Cast FistThere are many bankers and investment funds’ CEOs and owners we probably don’t know the names of that are also funding the end of the world because of profit
Still wrong, it’s capitalism. Without them, there would be different people in the same position. Hate the game, not the player. Well, hate the game and the player but don’t expect change from exchanging the player
MulligrubsWhat’s your best, longest-lived example of a society without capitalism? Do you have any?
By capitalism, I mean
“private individuals or companies that own and control businesses and property”, the simplest definition of capitalism