Beaumfs be like "born too late to explore the world 😢" does openstreetmap look complete to you? get working
Klay@mochabeau I agree, but I think when people say this, what they actually mean is "born too late to colonize land". Apparently the "american dream" is to be a landlord.
40796c19@nycki we all know the american dream has always been a lie but saying "i want to go somewhere that [the people i know about] haven't yet" is just a desire to learn more, no?
@nycki i have pondered this more and there is clearly some valorization of the 'explorers of old' and their actions since that's where much of the notion of world exploration came from, but i also heard someone say "i just think it means people want a vacation"
so yeah lamenting the inability to explore '"undiscovered" lands' necessarily erases all the people who lived on those lands - which is why i had rephrased it earlier since i believe that most people are driven by curiosity and not colonialism, but that ignores the reality of historic explorers who met the people that lived in those places and still treated the land as if it were universally unknown and undiscovered
i do still think that when most people say it, it comes from a yearning for a different environment, for change, out of curiosity, but also @MossGrowsOnNormanRuins 's other responses also make a lot of sense - and on a slight tangent to that note, holy fuck golden visa buy-your-way-into-residency-or-citizenship programs are such blatant racist and colonial bullshit that make we want to tear down every single border and world government by hand
so yeah lamenting the inability to explore '"undiscovered" lands' necessarily erases all the people who lived on those lands - which is why i had rephrased it earlier since i believe that most people are driven by curiosity and not colonialism, but that ignores the reality of historic explorers who met the people that lived in those places and still treated the land as if it were universally unknown and undiscovered
i do still think that when most people say it, it comes from a yearning for a different environment, for change, out of curiosity, but also @MossGrowsOnNormanRuins 's other responses also make a lot of sense - and on a slight tangent to that note, holy fuck golden visa buy-your-way-into-residency-or-citizenship programs are such blatant racist and colonial bullshit that make we want to tear down every single border and world government by hand
caterpillar pilled@nycki @mochabeau i think most people saying this nowadays are actually thinking about joining the merchant navy or exploring antarctica, not doing localised genocide
@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @mochabeau oh! that's a relief.
@nycki @mochabeau like, there's the implication that they eventually plan on settling down by the sea in some far of land with a local wife, and it feels a little bit icky passport bro-esque, but like 99/100 people using the phrase are definitely not thinking about gunning down native americans left right and centre à la John Wayne