nutbutter"Being vegan is unnatural"
TrackinDaKrakenVeganism is unnatural because we’re all omnivores, and evolved eating both plants and animals.
Impregnating cows this way is also unnatural.
Both can be true.
bearboiblakeFun fact, we evolved to eat raw meat, that’s why we have an appendix. Then, when we stopped eating raw meat, we started to evolve away from the appendix.
Evolutionary arguments don’t support the naturalist fallacy, because evolution doesn’t work like that. It responds to environmental pressures. It’s not some guiding light for what we’re “meant” to be doing, it’s the tools we’ve got to support what we already did.
To quote Meatloaf: 🎵🎶 IIIIIIIIIIII WANT MY MONEY APPENDIX BACK!🎶🎵
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That wasn’t fun
The bricks and the gravel and the mud and the blood
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That wasn’t fun
The bricks and the gravel and the mud and the blood
Another wild teenager in search of success, welcome to the jewel of the modified west\
That is not proven though, the appendix part, that’s the explanation I like the best as well. Other explanations, I forget, the aliens had it for some shit we don’t even know about, oh yeah, the more likely non joke one, and it could be what you say and this both many organs do multiple things, is to provide a reservoir of gut bacteria, to repopulate the gut after the system is flushed. That would go right along with digesting raw meat, as using independent bacteria is large part of the human body we’ve come to learn.
I forget what the other theories are, but there are others for the appendix, I believe the raw meat and reservoir of bacteria both though is most likely.
It’s probably got more to do with eating less rotten meat than eating less raw meat. It has functions for the immune system it is like the surveillance system for what is being introduced to the body.
This article says it was for raw vegetables:
For our ancestors, the appendix most likely evolved to help them digest a diet rich in raw vegetables and cellulose, as it still does in many herbivorous mammals. Thousands of years ago it would have functioned as an extension of the cecum, involved in the bacterial digestion of fibrous plant materials.
we’re all omnivores
Except, you know, the vegans.
that’s a choice by an individual. doesn’t change how their body behaves due to millions of years of evolution.
ironically, the thing that gave them the ability to make the choice to be vegan is the thing they are rebelling against. high volumes of protein, specifically those from consuming the brains and muscle of prey, allowed the species to grow larger and more complex brains.
in a few million years vegans are going to be too stupid to make the choice for themselves and will return to consuming meat because they’re omnivorous.
It’s interesting how you seem to believe your stance is based on science and facts yet you conducted no research to find out what vegans actually eat. Else you’d have found out vegans do typically eat a lot of protein and generally have healthier diets than the general public.
I’m an omnivore, but god, imagine being so fragile that even talking to someone about veganism without resorting to #MEATPOSTING when your comfort food is a drive through away…
Imagine having an ego so fragile that pointing out misused terminology turns into a flamebate where the person feels personally attacked.
I couldn’t care less about vegan or vegetarian lifestyles and the people who follow it. it’s a personal preference like sucking dick or being a Jets fan. but personal preferences don’t change biology.
stick a devout vegan on a liferaft with only fish to eat and they will eat fish. that is, unless they have magically evolved out the will to survive.
your meatposting gave me a good chuckle and reminded me.of cannibal holocaust. am I meatposting right?
Never stop posting comrade, it shows you in your best light.
shadowtofuBy your logic, obligate carnivores would have the larger brains. Humans are obligate omnivores. Studies show no significant differences in cognitive function, cardiovascular risk, or bone health when vegan diets meet recommended dietary allowance levels. Animal protein contributed during the evolution of the human brain, but the development was driven by cooking
Video of me after I found an actually good vegan wing place
good vegan food is hard to find. anything I’ve done almost always has to be made at home.
MinnesotaGoddamLook for Indian, look for Thai, look for Greek/Türkiysh(sp?)/mediterranean and i think falafel is vegan maybe? just tell them to hold the yogurt even though it is delicious it has garlic and dill and cucumber in it (it is called tzatziki)
mojofrododojovegan wing
so what are these, saitan? er?
I’m really not sure, I think it was like nutritional yeast with a little bit of breading
wait what i am having diffuchfeuai where
It was some random place in ny, I believe it’s nutritional yeast with some breading, it has a really nice texture if you use it right.
Thank you so much. I am going to experiment. This is going right after my test series with labne.
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in a few million years vegans are going to be too stupid to make the choice for themselves and will return to consuming meat because they’re omnivorous.
You need to go back in time and eat more meat so you can be smart enough to not comment stupid shit. I love the idea that millions of years of eating a vegan diet humanity wouldn’t evolve to adapt better to the vegan diet. It’s very funny.
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They are still omnivores who choose to limit their diet. Acknowledging that is a choice gives it meaning, which would be lost if it was treated as something similar to being an herbivore.
I am not personally a vegan or vegetarian, but respect the choice to limit one’s diet for the purpose of limiting animal suffering.
that’s like comparing us to the primordial plankton that use to eat microbes.
it’s just really stupid.
let’s ignore 25 million years of evolution.
Evolution is on a long scale, we have a lot longer as vegans than we do eating any meat to speak of outside insects and scavenging. Only a blink of an eye hunting our own meat to a large extent, a small fraction of a million years, compared to millions, and tens of millions, vegan ish.
Longer when you include like passive meat eating, like shellfish, which is what people were thought to be following as they colonized the middle east and asia.
if your argument is that we were herbivores longer than omnivores I’ve got some news for you. we ate planktons for alot longer than plants, mostly because plants didn’t even exist for millions of years.
so by your logic we should be eating phytoplanktons instead of plants and animals.
you can’t just dismiss millions of years of evolution on a whim based entirely on an emotional reaction.
be vegan all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that you are an omnivore.
Not millions though, tens of thousands eating meat, millions eating mostly vegan. I’m not a vegan btw don’t have a dog in this fight.
Mulligrubs“mostly vegan” meaning “omnivore”.
We, humans, have only existed for around 200,000 years, you are referring to multiple different species that are explicitly not Homo Sapiens Sapiens that all had different organic needs and requirements than what we require. This stance really does not hold any kind of scientific relevance to the human diet and that we are inarguably evolved, as humans, to be omnivores, and arguably obligate omnivores if you’re trying to be scientific about it.
Veganism is a choice of subjectively morality, there is no objective or scientific explanation or reason for humans to be vegan. It’s a choice, plain and simple, and it does not make you better or worse than anyone else.
“outside insects and scavenging”
So, scavenger and omnivore… never vegan
Holy shit, that has never happened.
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More vegan.
What a curious phrase. Not just for the substitution of vegetarian for vegan, but for the use of “more”. More vegan. I thought it was binary. Are their partial vegans? I thought that wasn’t allowed.
Because my diet includes more calories and nutrition from plant matter than meat most days, am I more vegan now?
In prehistory the are not eating dairy, but may eat dead animals, insects, shellfish, etc.
So not all vegan, but moreso than not.
Humans evolved to proccess dairy, not once, not twice, but 3 times. Some studies even suggest up to 5 times.
Seems like it was definitely advantageous to consume dairy
Outside of mother’s milk our ape ancestors weren’t getting any dairy though. Maybe the last 10k, even longer, years. Not the last 100k, to say nothing of the last 10 million.
You are right it is a newer adaptation, but one that was clearly advantageous to our species. There are not many evolutionary changes that occurred independently in 3-5 different populations.
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That’s literally not in any way shape or form veganism. That’s omnivorous, no ifs ands or buts about it.
And I’m sorry but why add the fucking picture I don’t get how that is applicable to anything
wavebeamIts more fun to highlight that veganism is about ethics so its not dietary its about ethical consumption of animal products. Which humans are animals.
And you could be a carnivore vegan - all you’d have to do is find volunteer meat to eat, so you’d need to a cannibal or find that talking cow from the Douglas Adams books.
Little8LostYou may already be a en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexitarianism
“International research explains that flexitarianism is used as a broader term to describe partial reductions in meat consumption without fixed requirements.^[7]^^”^
Sorry, you’re too late. I now identify as More Vegan. ;)
There’s no evidence to support that. Best evidence is that our ancestors for the longest time were likely opportunistic omnivores. Plants of course were a large part of the diet, but looking back to about 3.9 mya meat was on the menu.
They overwhelmingly ate more plants than meat we can safely presume. Meat they could get would be mostly insects, and an already dead or sick animals. Later when they came out of the trees shellfish.
Yes scavenging for meat is generally considered a very important part of human evolution. Our stomachs are particularly acidic when compared to other great apes. This is believed to have evolved due to a high consumption of scavenged meats.
You are right though plants generally did form a large portion of our and our ancestors diets.
Important to note that as our brain size increased it did correlate with increased meat consumption as well. This all goes into calorie densities, available nutrients, and evolutionary pressures.