RE: https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@runevision/116000179696043824

Gmail has decided to stop supporting fetching email from external accounts, so time to start de-gmailing. It was a good 20 year run!

First attempt, Thunderbird. It feels... slow and janky? And *this* is the most popular free email client?! No wonder gmail took the world by storm.

Mailspring from Rune's thread (thanks!) feels decent, let's see how that goes.

@aras @runevision I de-gmailed a few years ago and TB was even worse back then. Settled on Mailbird which was ok on Windows but not great. Decent.

I suspect the reason 3rd party email clients didn’t develop was precisely because everyone was using GMail or Outlook

@sinbad @aras @runevision Which mail provider are you using? I've been thinking of trying out something else than gmail but don't know where to go really.
@SonnyBonds @aras @runevision I use a tiny little place in Norway called Runbox. They probably wouldn’t appeal to most, their webmail is not as fancy (but I use IMAP anyway) and they’ve had occasional downtime, but I like that they’re hosted completely outside of the US (unlike FastMail), they’re long-term independently owned, and they’re powered entirely by renewables. Not as flash as others but their heart seems in the right place
@sinbad @aras @runevision Ah, I've seen those I think. As a Swede I like that it's close to home. Might give it a spin.
@sinbad @aras @runevision I think that if I _do_ switch to something else I should probably at the same time get some custom domain for the actual address so I can switch provider without switching address going forward.
@SonnyBonds @aras @runevision oh yeah definitely do that

@sinbad @aras @runevision It's actually what's been holding me back the most because I have to come up with something. :D

Also a lot of existing mail providers fail the "can I say this verbally to a teacher/bank contact/plumber/whoever and a) they get it without me spelling it out and b) without being embarrassed"

@SonnyBonds @aras @runevision I’m fortunate that I’m as old as rocks and my email address domain pre-dates Google; so my gmail address was always hidden behind it 🙂
@sinbad @aras @runevision I had hotmail and yahoo and stuff before getting gmail as soon as that was a thing. Don't know why I never thought of the domain thing until recently. :D