return2ozmaMost Americans disapprove of Trump on issues; Americans don’t trust Dems in Congress more to handle problems: Poll
WoodScientistOf course not. We have only two choices of party:
The Fascist party.
The party that tells you to vote for them lest the Fascists win, but when elected, does nothing to fight the Fascists, reverse their worst atrocities, or prevent them from coming back to power.
It’s like you have absolutely no understanding of how the system actually works, and have chosen to ignore history.
The GOP is never going to cede one inch to the Dems on anything, ever. Obama picked the ACA plan because it was based on a GOP idea and they fought him tooth and nail until the final vote. Then they turned around and demanded the Supreme Court abolish it.
The only way you’ll get any change under the current system is to elect a Dem super majority in every election for the next fifty years.
YOU have chosen to ignore history. And how typically in authoritarian takeovers, the first step to fighting the takeover is to abandon the captured opposition party and to start fresh with something new. A popular front is usually needed to defeat them. Authoritarians often let toothless opposition parties continue to operate. And there are always blind fools like yourself who insist that they must be supported, though they are just another tool of the autocrat.
The only way you’ll get any change under the current system is to elect a Dem super majority in every election for the next fifty years.
This shows you are not a serious person. If that is your solution, then I can only conclude that you actually support Trump and the Fascist party.
So, what exactly is your plan for the 2026 election?
How exactly are you going to counter Trump?
Be specific and provide as many details as possible.
LeonYou guys should do like the French, really. Revolt. Anything short of that won’t achieve shit.
How brave of you to volunteer other people to attack the barricades.
Your people are threatening to invade my neighbouring country. Americans made this mess. Americans get to fix it.
Don’t worry.
Trump
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Trump isn’t the problem. Lop his head off and you’ll have achieved catharsis but it won’t be a solution to any problems. A lot more heads need to roll before anything is solved.
You can’t vote your way out of it because the system is built for those with money. You need to change the entire system and no one who is currently benefiting from that system will aid you in that.
CharlesDarwinYou first.
LA GUILLOTINE I LONG FOR LA GUILLOTINE
Fuck elections. General strike until our demands are met.
Nice idea.
Now provide the details of how you do it.
It’s easy to say things, not that easy to make them happen.
1: Gather a group of people. (I’ve got a few, need a lot more.)
2: Come up with a list of demands those people can mostly agree on. (I’ve got ideas, of course, but so does everybody. It’s not my place to unilaterally decide what the strike’s demands will be.)
3: Mutual aid networks to assist people who get fired from their jobs (or worse) in retaliation for participating in the strike. Build emergency caches of food, household essentials, arms, and medical supplies. Organize temporary shelter plans for anyone made homeless by participating in the strike. (I’ve got plenty of food to share if necessary, and I have a camper trailer in my back yard someone can stay in if necessary. And I’ve got a bunch of old lumber and building supplies I could slap together into some additional makeshift huts if really necessary – they wouldn’t have indoor plumbing, but they’d at least have a roof, walls, and heat. I could support 2 or 3 people easily. Maybe 5 to 10 in a pinch.)
4: Announce the strike. Begin withholding labor and minimizing all economic participation until the demands from Step 2 are met. (Not only refuse to sell your labor, but also refuse to buy anything, as much as possible. Also, for good measure, withdraw all your money from the bank so they can’t collect interest on it.) (This does not mean that participants will ‘do no work’ and just sit around all day. You still have work – supporting the strike. Work in a food kitchen to support those going hungry because they’re on strike. Deliver food and supplies to strikers who can’t make it to that kitchen. Build temporary shelters for strikers who need them. Provide security against the inevitable strike-busting violence. Etc.)
So, no actual organizations in place. No financing. No leadership.
It’s not a plan, it’s a wish list for Santa Claus.
Nah, you’re arguing in bad faith.
Satisfy my curiosity.
Exactly which words demonstrated by ‘bad faith?’
JoeBigelowIt’s your attitude and it’s as obvious as a zit on your nose. Nobody here owes you anything, and you’ve been treated with kid gloves by some very kind, intelligent people. I am neither of those things. Sit down, shut up, listen, and maybe learn something.
ClassStrugglePot meet kettle. A Dem supermajority means nothing when they do nothing but play controlled opposition.
Obama picked the ACA plan because it was based on a GOP idea and they fought him tooth and nail until the final vote. Then they turned around and demanded the Supreme Court abolish it.
The only way you’ll get any change under the current system is to elect a Dem super majority in every election for the next fifty years.
They had a Dem supermajority during that time. And what did they do with it? They bent over backwards trying to ‘reach across the aisle’ and giving the GOP every single thing they asked for.
Expect the same thing if they come into power again.
And what is your alternative?
What should we do in the 2026 elections?
Please provide a detailed plan.
As I said in my other post, elections will never fix it. Our power lies in General Strike.
Elect people who are running on assigning corruption charges instead of vibes
Put all those new warehouses to good use.
You apparently don’t understand how this internet thing works.
If you reply to me, other people can see what you wrote, too.
It doesn’t matter what I write, other people will see the great plan.
If you have a great plan, post it, it doesn’t matter what I write.
Here’s an explanatory video.
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JaysynThey had a Dem supermajority during that time. And what did they do with it? They bent over backwards trying to ‘reach across the aisle’ and giving the GOP every single thing they asked for.
when elected, does nothing to fight the Fascists, reverse their worst atrocities, or prevent them from coming back to power
Yep. If Democrats ever gain power again, watch them keep ICE pretty much the same way it is now, keep most of Trump’s tariffs, not restore SNAP or USAID funding to previous levels, etc, etc, etc.
We just have to be grateful that the lesser evil party didn’t add too many new atrocities before they calmly and politely cede power to the fascists again.
Exactly. Could one of the blue MAGA folks let me know when Newsom publicly announces he supports completely dismantling DHS and rolling back the post-9/11 surveillance state? You cannot seriously pretend to want to fight fascism if dismantling the tools of the fascists isn’t the first thing you intend to do when in power.
It has some serious Lord of the Rings vibes. The surveillance state and the unconstitutional powers created after 9/11 are this immensely powerful tool created for evil ends. But after the evil is defeated, the nominally good guys choose to not to dismantle the evil tools, but to keep them, telling themselves that they will be used for good. Except they cannot be used for good, as they are fundamentally evil. Meanwhile I’m over here shouting, “cast it into the fire!” But they decide to keep it every time.
Well, to be honest, if the choices between being fucked hard and fucked softly….
Except that attitude pretends that the election in front of you is the only election that will ever happen ever again. It’s a short-sighted view that leads us to exactly where we are now. We’ve had 30 years of Democrats telling everyone “don’t boycott this election. This is the most important one in history. If you don’t vote for us, democracy is dead forever. I know we’re not really going to do anything to change things, but what choice do you have?”
In retrospect, we would have been a lot better off today if in 2016 the entire left wing of the Democratic party just boycotted the election entirely. The fact that Hillary came close to winning is the only reason the neoliberal wing was able to retain any credibility.
I voted green party that year and it’s the vote I regret the least. I went on to vote for Biden and then Harris
vvvvanThank you. Considered alternatives many times, but mostly in primaries (because it only helps the worst people win in general).
I don’t think most people even understand what a primary is (and that we’re having them literally right now). Not happy with elected reps? Go vote, pick your team (90% don’t bother). Mail-in if disabled (any state). Check out candidates online. Lots of alts and progressives on primary ballots (on Dem side).
I boycotted 2016 and look where we are now. I was young and stupid and should have toed the line. I fucking hate Hillary and everything she represents, but I could not comprehend at the time what Trump represented
I was verbally harassed by a dozen picture perfect Karen’s in a highschool gym for standing on the Bernie side during the 2016 caucus. They did not make a guy want to side with them.
Nope. Being told “it’s her turn” was it for me. You had a pro Wall Street, pro War candidate versus Bernie. I think a lot of young people either didn’t vote or switched sides that year.
Telling your future voting pool to shut up and take more austerity and less opportunity so Wall Street can get rich ain’t it DNC
Bilb!