BeepAdolescent Cannabis Use Linked to Doubling Risk of Psychotic and Bipolar Disorders
gibmiserYeah I’m sure the “cannabis is completely harmless” crowd will have normal reactions to this
CorkyskogI thought that this is just confirmation of other studies? We knew that it exacerbates underlying mental conditions, especially in those underage.
I don’t think I have met the crowd you refer to.
I thought that this is just confirmation of other studies? We knew that it exacerbates underlying mental conditions, especially in those underage.
It pretty much is, though I think this study is unusual in that it suggests that the effect may be independent of socioeconomic factors.
Though the authors do admit that there may be a bidirectional link at play, which is quite interesting. You’re at higher risk for schizophrenia or psychosis if you use marijuana, but you’re also more likely to use marijuana if you’re at higher risk for schizophrenia or psychosis.
I don’t think I have met the crowd you refer to.
There are a few dotted throughout this thread, laying the blame on other things than the hasis.
Ehhhhh…I see some kids in public that make me think “Damn I wish this kid were zoned out on drugs…”
But nope. He’s just screaming, and throwing food. Being a real brat! I swear, I hate getting dragged to kids 18 year old birthday parties at Chuck-E-Cheese.
Anything younger than 25 is a kid. If I had grey hair before you were born, you’re a kid.
GhostalmediaStudy of age 13-17yo kids, but the thumbnail is of a 7 year old rip master, who’s monster bong loads are phatter than all those teens.
smegGod, that would be so cool… A few tokes and I could madly play jazz piano…
This just confirms what psychiatrists already knew for a long time. Cannabis use accentuates the probability of mental illnesses.
Thank you for making this remark, this is not new information.
More specifically, for someone who has a genetic predisposition to developing schizophrenia or bipolar disorder, cannabis use will make it more likely that you yourself will develop that condition. If you have someone in your family with schizophrenia or bipolar, you would do well to avoid cannabis use, especially as a teenager or young adult.
This is yet again pseudo-science based on the false belief that (presumed) correlation is the same as causation.
I’m not understanding your argument. What about this is correlation and not causation? The body of literature indicating cannabis negatively impacts the mental health of people prone to developing psychosis is pretty extensive, and this is measured against other people who are prone to developing psychosis but who do not use cannabis
Nobody knows this. You’re just another person here conflating correlation with causation.
How many people will say this same nonsense? How many will upvote?
Thank you.
Maybe someone can tell if this is peer reviewed and if this is actually published in a reputable journal and also what’s the agenda of the institutes funding this.
Lot to ask I guess but I have 0 clue about this field and don’t really know how seriously I should take this
Hit the “article information” link and lots of that is spelled out there
It’s not. They disclose the conflict of interest and source of funding part but that doesn’t tell me who the funding sources are and what’s their agenda? I only have this question because I read the article information.
Also this doesn’t tell me anything about journal ranking, I don’t even know if this is a proper journal, let alone if it’s peer reviewed. If you drop a link to the Lancet it’s cool I know it, I’m still not going to abandon my critical thinking but I will give the benefit of the doubt.
It’s not so much that I necessarily think their findings are implausible or anything, it’s just that I want to discuss science in a scientific way in a science community, and those are normal things to ask.
I don’t care
It’s the journal of the American Medical Association, it’s a peer reviewed journal and it’s as reputable as scientific journals come. the author affiliations are listed at the top of the article if you click the dropdown:
There’s a real link between cannabis use and some mental illnesses, this isn’t the first paper to make that connection. What that connection is and whether cannabis use among children is causing mental illness is still AFAIK an open question. There are, according to my psychiatrist, conflicting data on whether cannabis makes depression worse or better. It seems to help for me, so I continue to use it with their supervision and advice, but I also know people who quit cannabis and felt better as a result, so I think if you use it and have one of these illnesses, it’s worth running your own trials to determine whether it’s helping or hurting.
Thanks a lot, this is what I’ve been wondering. I know that there’s a link and that cannabis can trigger e.g. psychoses especially if there’s a genetic predisposition, but this is extremely tricky data to work with and to draw inferences from.
They do mention the bidirectional nature and I think that’s where it becomes really hard to model. If you would properly try to isolate the cannabis effect you’d need to identify a cohort of individuals similar to those that got diagnosed and that have (self-reportedly) not consumed cannabis as a control group and then compare these two groups to their overarching population and then determine if the mean difference (if there’s any) is statistically significant.
Of course if we knew how to describe such population this would be an easy exercise, but since all we know is that the population is teenagers living in the same area, along with some other demographic metadata this is a limitation that I‘m not sure can be overcome.
I think that the connection is there in some way or another is an interesting finding and probably a good reason to try and stop teenagers from smoking weed. Personally it also helps me against depression but also I‘m not 14 anymore.
MinnesotaGoddamwait hold up. i know one of those authors. they’re a hack.
There’s a real link
Yes, it’s called a correlation and, even if it exists, it’s not the same as causation.
I can’t believe how many people don’t understand this in a supposed science comm.
I am aware. If I may refer you to the very next sentence:
What that connection is and whether cannabis use among children is causing mental illness is still AFAIK an open question.
Anecdotally speaking, this has been my experience as well. I would even go so far as to say the kids I know who smoked the most (or had that reputation) are the ones with the most/worst psychiatric issues as adults.
I have nothing against cannabis use and I do not judge people who use it, but I think parents who are too accepting / forgiving of their teenagers’ use are doing them a disservice. Additionally, when I was a teen, kids were smoking actual, real weed. These days, kids are vaping and using what are essentially poorly tested/understood pharmaceuticals. I won’t claim to be an expert in the topic, but I certainly think there’s ample reason to be concerned about the effects of these things.
maen to that. Had a downstairs neighbor that goes to a dispensary all the time and uses vapes. Tried some and it did fuck-all for me, other than give me a headache and make me feel queasy.
Shit’s not right. I’ve got a tin with 40+ year old beans and at some point in the spring am going to see if I can germinate some of it and see what grows and if it’s better.
NGL, what there is that I’ve tried in the past decade isn’t impressive.
Quick release high and even quicker come down. What happened to the easy rise and long, slow return that gave you a lift for an entire afternoon?
Counterpoint: I’m fuckin’ chillin dude.
LeftistLawyerDid the study account for confounding variables like … capitalism?
They wouldn’t be in this research position if they accounted for capitalism.
Same probably goes for the downvoters. People are mad that you brought up root causes. The pharma shilling has been internalized.
They did. One of the variables they statistically controlled for in the study is the “neighbourhood deprivation index”, which represents socio-economic living factors.
Jesus Christ, so many ignorant people in this thread trying to question the scientific data with nothing but their own fee-fees about the politics of cannabis legality and capitalism. So much for this being a science forum.
duncan_bayneMore anecdata of my own here … but I’ve observed that a good number “pro-science” people abandon the science when it ceases to suit their politics.
So much for this being a science forum.
This clickbait article is a pseudo-scientific joke just from the headline alone. And people are upvoting it. smh.
OMG don’t say anything bad about our magic plant that cures everything and is so amazing and has no side effects and is amazing and I love I it and duuuuuuuude
On the other hand… The DSM is a pile of pseudo-scientific dogshit arbitrarily describing symptoms. And this article is trash clickbait intentionally obscuring correlation vs causation.
jamanetwork.com/journals/…/2845356
I think this is the study. They controlled statistically for a variety of factors that various people in this post are assuming had interactions.
Also, the author’s are from a variety of reputable universities and institutions in California.
Cox proportional hazards regression models were used to measure the strength of associations between adolescent cannabis use and incident psychiatric diagnoses, with adjustments for sex, race and ethnicity, neighborhood deprivation index, insurance type, and time-varying alcohol and other substance use.
DasusYes yes, ofc they “controlled for”. It’s always the same argument with these studies. And you know it isn’t remotely enough so you appeal to authority by saying “reputable universities and institutions”, as if there hasn’t been literally hundreds of billions put into anti-cannabis research and there’s still only massively vague correlations instead of being able to show a single causation. Unlike with alcohol, which you can clearly demonstrate a sudden onset psychosis from pretty much anyone as long as you’re giving them something above say 8% ABV for a few hours on an empty stomach.
Yet you’ll also be able to find millions of people smoking weed daily without issues. You can’t say that for alcohol. Yet the implication is still one of “we can’t legalise more drugs” as if legalising made people less aware of the risks and less likely to abuse those substances, when we *know" it doesn’t. It actually does the opposite. Prohibition increases abuse and associated risks.
But hey, let’s spend another day arguing about how theres definitely a “link” between cannabis use and mental health disorders, even though not a single person can say what the link is how it forms or why.
Last time I did it I ended up having to read and Google all sorts of “reputable institutions” and once I did find the material, turns out even though they claimed to have controlled for all of those aspects, every single cannabis user was from a lower socioeconomic group than the control groups, which were in areas which were distinctly higher in average socioeconomic class. Then they just claimed that they had “controlled”. They clearly hadn’t. They had done the exact opposite.
I mean in general if you drink or do any drugs (caffeine and pre-workout included) before you’re like 18 is probably not going to be good for you.
EightBitBloodI’m glad they did this study, but as my as they controlled for hazards, they did jack all to explore the meaning of their results beyond how it lined up with their hypothesis.
Just because the study went the way the expected doesn’t mean there’s causality. In fact, there’s a bigger likelihood that adolescent cannabis use just doubles the likelihood of psychotic and bipolar diagnosis.
People are born with those conditions and weed just brings those behaviors out more easily. Specifically mania within those inclined to it from Bipolar.
I feel this study is fairly disingenuous seeing as it never bothers to consider the possibility that they are just more easily diagnosing these conditions in kids through their use of weed. These conditions are traditionally very hard to diagnose in children at ALL, as most psychotic behavior (that isn’t EXTREME) usually manifests in later life typically in the early to late 20’s.
Imo, this study has done nothing but prove that these conditions continue to go undiagnosed in children unless weed gives them enough comfort to behave in the more visibly psychotic ways most kids hide until adulthood.
No insult intended. Just surprised to not see this even considered in the study.