What does “official budget” mean? Serious question, what else are you supposed to do other than check your account every once in a while*?

* (and by that I mean get notifications from your bank if there’s any movement)

Some people use apps or spreadsheets to have a very structured budget. I am not one of them. I have a concept of a budget.

I have an excel sheet with basic things like my income, rent, other monthly items, and rough estimates for things like groceries or regular hobbies. Then I look at what’s left over and use that as a reference point. I definitely don’t keep a very strict budget, and you vould argue it doesn’t fit the bill for an “official budget”, but it’s worked well enough for me so far

Also my banking app has some basic budgetary info, so I can look at my monthly spending and such

What does “official budget” mean?

A pre-plan for spending, generally involving an upper limit by category, including not only existing scheduled payments, but also ad-hoc spending.

Like most plans, a budget can be as loose or a tight as you want, and you may or may not follow it, but just building it can result in a more successful approach.

I think most people use a spreadsheet, so they can include some things that are auto-calculated, but that’s not a essential property.

Basically my financial situation is:
Me work. Me get paid. Banana purchase. Repeat.
I too am an ape
The worst part is that I love math and numbers…just hate money and having to worry about it.

God no. I got in so much debt with ADHD and no budget. Finding YNAB saved my ass and allowed me to buy a house right before it became impossible to do so. Now I won’t pay YNABs insane prices but I still use the same methods.

But obviously I have ADHD so I’ve had to restart that budget many many times. I’ve forgotten about it multiple times over the last 13 years. But I’m finally consistent with it. I check it when I’m going to make a big purchase, I know my general what I need weekly, and I fully review it every pay day (or you know, 2 days later shhh).

🙌 putting all my stuff into ynab4 since like 2012, i just do it once a week
Basically what I do with Actual Budget lol. God I loved YNAB but I made the mistake of upgrading to NYNAB when they rolled that out. It was good for a bit but it’s so very expensive now and they added this nasty social media aspect to it and it’s just bloated, laggy, and expensive. I think I started with them in 2012 and I left last year.

every two years I try to do spending analysis and load up ynab again (the original desktop version)

it lasts shorter every time I do it, and I just revert back to “okay I make about this much, these are my bills and savings that automatically transfer/pay, so I should be able to spend around x amount” and then just keeping an eye on minimum balances. I just can’t do all the work categorizing spending like I just don’t really care where I’m spending money, as long as it’s within reason

My wife got us on YNAB, and we were able to pay off her student loans within a few years. We are only able to eat and afford clothes because of her immense efforts with YNAB.

Although, the insane prices are indeed becoming unbearable. I’m also getting more concerned about privacy and their priorities as a company. I’d love to switch to Actual Budget, but there are just a few features on which my wife completely relies which don’t exist in AB.

Ooohh which features?
I don’t remember. You’ll have to ask her yourself.
I don’t budget, would never be able.to follow it. Just good enough at being able to spend less than I make to the point I have a house.
That’s a good way of describing my system. I put the bills on auto pay and stop spending when it runs out.
Theres loads of ways to manage your spending without a budget, more effective for most people too.

A good budget won’t tell you how not spend your money, it should tell you how you can spend your money.

People hear the word budget and think it means tightening the belt and cutting back but that doesn’t have to be the case. Your income doesn’t change when you go on a budget so all you’re gaining is clarity as to where your money is going.

I can’t imagine how people could be so precise & rigid with their own personal liquid finances. It’s all about vibes for me. Always has been.
Eh, I use a budget but I wouldn’t call it rigid at all. I raid categories all the time when my priorities change, the difference is that I actually know what I’m giving up when I decide to splurge on something.
My budget is rigid where the expenses are rigid (mortgage, daycare, utility bills) and fluid where the expenses are fluid (eating out, date nights, video games)

There’s a psychological horror game I play. Occasional jumps are, but mostly just slow building dread.

It’s called You Need a Budget 4.

(None of that modern YNAB shit, this one’s old school and out of support. I’m not paying a subscription to manage my cash.)

I just make my direct deposit put certain amounts of money into accounts that cover essential things like bills, mortgage, savings, retirement, etc. Then what’s left gets put in my checking account. Thats basically money for spending on whatever I want or need that week.
I used to keep my checking account balance in my head and would only see the balance on ATM receipts. Only bounced 1 check in about 6 years in my teens/early 20’s. Needless to say, my wife was horrified and is the family banker.
I have a math brain; I do not, however, have a brain that can make plans or follow them consistently
I do have a math brain, which is why I can get by on vibes.

I don’t think I even check my account enough. My coworkers look at me in horror when I tell them that I just sort of eyeball the bank account every now and then to see that the approximate amount was put in.

…and, honestly? Fuck their thinking anyway. I know they aren’t breaking out calculator, pen&paper, or even chatfuckpt to ensure the pennies are exactly matching. Knowing that I can spend $5 once a month on a game, or pay for a prescription, isn’t exactly hard. I just always keep way under what any budget would tell me anyway. I don’t need a budget to tell me how much to put away for retirement, that shit is going the way of the dodo here soon.

I’ve played enough video games to know that I need to take what I can when I can, and when I need to use it I most likely won’t until it’s necessary, and when all is said and done I should have enough to not need it all and there is something to give to the next person. My budget is basically an inventory of time I have already spent vs time that I want to save, so only things that are worth that conversion of time is what I will end up using my bag of coins on.
I’m a mathematician. My math brain shuts off when the units are in currency.
Real mathematics barely deals with numbers anyway
Me when my wallet doesn’t pass the vibe test
Who needs budgets when you have terrible anxiety about spending money
the only cure is buying shiny new thing™️
Better to buy second hand shiny thing to save money.
thank you Venator from the Deadlock

Is there a character called Venator in Deadlock?

I only played it briefly, I’m more of a fan of TF2C, I chose my Venator handle by translating the huntsman to Latin in Google translate when it first came out 😅

Deadlock on Steam

Deadlock is a multiplayer game in early development.

yeah he was added in the last batch of characters, fitting name for a monster hunter from the vatican

his ultimate is a holy crossbow and his ‘1’ is a holy hand grenade

I feel like there’s a certain minimum income level/social safety net you need to have to be able to live like this. Like at some point the desire to keep having food/shelter becomes enough of a motivating factor that you have to work out what you need to do.
You don’t need a budget, just a crippling sense of guilt about spending money on anything other than the absolute essentials…

I’m frugal by nature. For most of my life I’ve always had enough savings to buy almost anything I want. Whenever I get a “bonus” from somewhere, I’m not even tempted to go on a spending spree - it doesn’t enable me to buy anything I couldn’t have already bought anyway. I’m way more excited about seeing the value of my investments go up than I would be about a new iPhone or whatever.

I live in an old house, wear old clothes, drive an old truck, never travel, never eat out, etc. I guess I just value different things than some other people. I’d rather be financially secure and look poor than the other way around.

I only really started not living paycheck around 1 year ago, and started investing last year at 33.

I think generally being in a bad mood about the state of the world makes you not wanna care about that stuff.

But now I do, and I am doing my stuff, but I don’t really have a budget, but have a spending pot for spending on whatever and I only buy necessities that are useful my life as I don’t care for physical things.

Better to buy experiences with money

I pretented I just had less money than i actually had.
Studies and unemployment have coached me to use money minimally in daily life. As a result I can afford some pricy things with still modest means.

there’s no point to a budget if you minimize all costs anyways, and it means i get a surprise amount left over at the end of every month which i can do whatever i want with.

Which is usually just letting it pile up because i don’t know if my welfare will be denied at some point and having that buffer means i can afford to replace things every now and then.

You have money left over at the end of the month?

yes, through the magic of eliminating every expense i can.
My expenses are: Rent, electricity, internet, phone service, home insurance, bus ticket (in the winter), and food (of which i’ve been steadily finding cheaper and cheaper things to cook, most recently discovering that you can just fry the shit out of mixed frozen vegetables and it tastes amazing).

It’s slightly terrifying to see what other people spend money on, like paying 5€ for a SINGLE CUP OF COFFEE… Or, like, owning a car at all. Buddy maybe you could afford to heat your luxurious mansion if you weren’t blowing half your fucking income on a living room with 4 wheels?

An incredible amount of people, probably most people, just seem to be fundamentally incapable of recognizing expenses as being expenses. Their brain just classes that cup of coffee as something required to live and thus the cost doesn’t exist. They’ll buy it every single day, even as it doubles in cost, and i’m not sure if the act of paying even consciously registers.

This is exactly why I went for an e-scooter instead of a car. It has enough range to get me anywhere around town and back, it’s fast enough to safely ride on the roads, and above all else it doesn’t require costly refueling, insurance, or a license. I just plug it in and it’s ready to go by the next time I need to use it. It has turn signals, suspension, and a bright enough headlight/taillight to be perfectly suited for nighttime use too.

💯

I just want to check though: Do you wear motorbike safety gear? Because you REALLY REALLY should, e-scooters are great but the one thing they are not is safe (if you go faster than a moderate run).

I wear proper safety equipment, including a helmet with a face shield as well as knee and armpads. My scooter is electronically limited in speed so I can’t go any faster than a bike can. No need to worry!

My budget has been “don’t spend too much” for the last 10 years and it’s worked out wonderfully. You don’t need a clever laid out plan, you just need to ask yourself “how can I spend even less ?”

Cancel every subscription immediately unless you actually need it. Pirate everything. Get everything on sale or thrift it. Either buy the cheapest thing you can, or spend enough to buy the indestructible version you’ll keep for 15-20 years. Fix problems immediately for cheap before they get expensive.

As a result I’m still managing to save up money while my income is under 10K a year.

For tools you need it is so important to keep in mind that if:

you definitely need it only once - get the cheap one.

you will use it in the future - get the expensive one that laborers use.

Cheap tools are a money and a time sink

I’m in the Savage camp. Get the cheapest tool first, use it until it’s insufficient. By that time, you should have figured out which features you actually need, which you don’t, and what a good tool looks like.

I’m not always certain which tools will get significant usage (some, yes, but not all). If I bought the “good” tool every time, I’d have thousands of dollars sunk into tools I rarely use.

If you have a determined field, yeah sure, spend the money up front. But if you’re a dabbler, you spend less overall cheaping out on entry models.

Same. My philosophy has always been to spend as little as possible and got my debts paid as soon as possible so they’re not hanging over my head.
I spent late 20s and early 30s living on 25k a year. I now make 4x that, I still live like I make 25k. My budget plan is to live like I’m pore
Yeah I’m at 5x what I started out with and I’m broke as shit, maybe I’m lying a little bit, I have savings now but for the last 2 years it hasn’t grown at all. Although I now have more responsibilities that accounts for some of the increase in spending, I’m fully aware that as I made more, I normalized spending more.
My mother always said if you make a million dollars a day but spend a million and one you are still a pauper

live like I’m pore

soaking in lots of moisturising creams then i assume?

I frequently check my bank account and use vibes to largely take care of my finances. It isn’t completely optimized or strict, but it works since my bills are predictable.

Putting longer term savings into CDs is something I’ve found to be helpful. I can get to the money if an emergency came up, but otherwise I treat that as my untouchable savings, so i get some artificial scarcity in the mix.

I squeeze pennies so hard they need therapy and always have. I remember loaning money to my older siblings to buy game systems and fund dates.

Ever since I saw a documentary on the great depression and spoke to my grandmother about what it was like to live through it I started noticing that we as a country we’re not doing so great. I’ve been working and saving most of my money since I was in first grade, but by middle school I just decided to abstain from almost every kind of expense I could.

I’ve never struggled financially but that’s because I learned that you don’t need to buy much stuff if you make your own, can live on less, and have a pervasive crippling anxiety about the collapse of western civilization.

So yeah I’ve been running on the vibe “The Great depression is coming again and there’s no way I can save enough to be prepared”

This has earned me a meager modest lifestyle, but my family eats very well, has a clean home, and has plenty of modern luxuries and toys even if some of them might be a bit worn, rough around the edges, or unfashionable.

I didn’t have to learn to live on lentils but I did have to give up on things my parents found very accessible like restaurants, travel, new things, packaged food, college, free time, bars, weekends, my own room, cars, movie theaters, most museums and non-critical medical care.

So yeah, I guess compared to my peers I’m crushing it because in all of my frugality I managed to avoid racking up six figures of college debt! I’ll never own a house though.

that’s deeply sad :( you’ve denied yourself so much, and you still can’t even afford your own house. at that point why care? why not enjoy things like eating out, travel, or non-critical medical care?