foundseed

NO. If you don't already have one, you DON'T need to go get a gun.

What you really really need to do?
-de-escalation training
-First aid training
-Gunshot wound first aid specifically
-unarmed self defense, pick any
-gun disarmament training
-gun use training with multiple types of firearm

But that sounds hard and unsexy and responsible so let's just talk about possible shootout scenarios that will never happen/s

Feb 20 at 4:46pmWeb
Show threadanubis2814Feb 20
@foundseed Guns should be kept by a collective neighborhood armory, that require a majority of votes by member to take them into the public. If things are that bad, there will be enough votes. Same with why all military action should require congress to vote on it
Show threadjohn.brown_typefaceFeb 20

@foundseed
i think these are good things to recommend, but they also correspond with taking risks and putting oneself in immediate danger

i'm not sure what gun disarmament training would be, but if it's training to disarm an armed person, i would say that is extremely high risk and more likely to lead to injury/death than any training or scenario where one is armed

it's something that some folks could accomplish, but is usually training given to military and police

Show threadfoundseedFeb 20
@johnbrowntypeface idk why you think disabling a shooter and apprehending their fire is gonna be higher risk than hoping you sling your gun out first and hit your target before you're full of holes but good luck either way comrade. I'm not really addressing those already prepared for what they see coming. I'm talking to the ones who never touched a gun before and only just started to worry in the last year or so. Those folks do not need firepower in their house because of reactionary thinking.
Show threadjohn.brown_typefaceFeb 20

@foundseed
@johnbrowntypeface
it seems to be basic logic that physically engaging an armed person as an unarmed person is very high risk. doesn't seem a controversial argument for me

you're responding as if i'm instructing folks to do something in particular, and as if pointing out the dangers of one activity means i de-facto support another

if i have any overall point it's that being unarmed is absolutely no guarantee of safety, especially if you end up in conflict with armed opposition

Show threadfoundseedFeb 20
@johnbrowntypeface these are acts of harm reduction, and as such, inherently assume a level of risk to the person is already guaranteed. So I'll agree with you there at least.
Show threadanubis2814Feb 21
@johnbrowntypeface @foundseed The more guns added to any situation, the move chance of it getting more violent and shooting the wrong person increases.
Show threadjohn.brown_typefaceFeb 21

@anubis2814 @foundseed
i disagree and don't believe this could be proven

i would say it's down to the ideology, behavior, and training of the people with the guns that determines the likelihood of violence

community defense is response to our milieu where there are already a lot of guns. in the US there are many gun owners, most of which never commit violence with their guns

State forces and fascists are most likely to shoot people - and so we practice community defense as protection

Show threadMissConstrueFeb 20

@foundseed I’ve taught gun safety classes, and my advice to most people is “don’t buy a gun”. Adrenaline and firearms are a bad combination, and even if someone knows how to fire a weapon, they aren’t trained to handle the adrenaline. They certainly aren’t trained for the aftermath. I cannot tell you how many times I’ve said Guns are not toys!

That said, people are twitchy. I’m used to seeing sidearms on farmers and ranchers, but most of the land out here has been turned into McMansions, and it’s real weird seeing Brad and Karen carrying long rifles into the piggly wiggly. (As a rule, I will leave any location where long rifles make an appearance. Those shouldn’t be in the hands of civilians.)

I think mandatory first aid and gunshot first aid should be required to get a license. I also think you should have to get a license, so there’s that. I think gun owners should mandatory carry liability insurance, and pass accuracy tests.