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@[email protected] @GrapheneOS what is your opinion on e/os?
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@Pellani @lexinova Murena devices and /e/ have poor privacy and atrocious security. They fail to keep up with OS updates and crucial privacy/security patches along with not providing standard privacy/security protections. Being weeks, months and even years behind on updates to the kernel, drivers, firmware, the rest of the OS and browser engine is a huge problem. Despite the marketing, /e/ has privacy invasive services and gives privileged access to Google apps/services.

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private

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@Pellani @lexinova A lot of further information from Divested Computing and Mike Kuketz are included in the article posted above.

/e/ sending sensitive user data to OpenAI without user consent for a supposedly private service which should be locally implemented on the device is a representative example of their very negligent approach to privacy:

https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using-open-ai/70509

Devices being being marketed as private doesn't mean that's actually true. People are genuinely being scammed by Murena.

Voice to Text feature using Open AI

Thank you a lot for your positive and supporting comments about our new /e/OS Voice-to-text! Regarding its implementation in /e/OS, I’d like to explain a few things to explain why we have chosen an OpenAI STT API to implement it and how it’s going to evolve in the future: What we have learned from our experimentations with STT models that run locally on the smartphone for speech recognition: they work quite poorly, they make a lot of mistakes in voice recognition they are not able to mix la...

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@Pellani @lexinova /e/ and iodéOS are LineageOS forks. All 3 of these reduce privacy and security compared to the Android Open Source Project but /e/ completely destroys it and is heavily misleading users about what's provided. People are far better off simply using LineageOS than /e/. LineageOS lags far less behind on updates than /e/ and doesn't reduce privacy and security nearly as much. It has fewer stability problems too. If people are going to use a variant of LineageOS just use LineageOS.
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@GrapheneOS @[email protected] thanks for your elaborate response. I will keep this in mind. I bought an fairphone 6 with e/os on it two months ago. Unfortunately i dont have the advanced knowledge to know who is right. But i will be not naively be promoting the fairphone 6 with e/os anymore. Grapheneos is for me also no option because, i dont want to give google my money by buying a google phone. Confusing if you want to get rid of big tech as an non IT person.
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@Pellani @lexinova

> Unfortunately i dont have the advanced knowledge to know who is right

Listen to privacy and security experts instead of the company marketing their products. Murena are selling phony privacy products and services with poor privacy and security.

> Grapheneos is for me also no option because, i dont want to give google my money by buying a google phone.

Pixels are currently the only devices meeting the update and security requirements. They can be bought as used devices.

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@Pellani @lexinova A major Android OEM contacted us in June 2025 and we're working with them as partners. They're improving a subset of their future devices to meet our requirements and provide official GrapheneOS support. An announcement about it is being made in March 2026 and the devices will be launched at some point in 2027.

In the meantime, there aren't non-Pixel devices we could use where we can provide strong privacy and security. We won't pretend otherwise to get more users with it.